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The New Future of Star Wars.
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11-05-2012, 07:18 AM
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trebleshot
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Originally Posted by
Crazy Jetty
Animated ended in 2008, a few months before RotF was released. The entire series didn't evenlast a full year.
No, it ended in May of 2009. And it did last a full year, with some room to spare:
Preview: December 26, 2007
1st Ep: January 5, 2008
Last Ep: May 23, 2009
Revenge of the Fallen
was released in the US on June 24, 2009 - one month after Animated ended. If anything, it was the popularity of the LAM series that killed Animated.
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And no, Hasbro didn't say "Let's replace Animated with prime." That's just silly.
You say this....
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But Animated was created before Hasbro ever even imagined having their own channel in the discovery network. As such, like Clone Wars, Animated was produced and co-owned by Cartoon Network. It was partly theirs.
And when Hasbro made the move to launch the hub, they decided thei would rather cut it loose and cancel it
, than to let their flagship brand continue on an opposing network, or muck with the legalities of trying to secure total ownership so they can continue it on the hub. Thus, Prime was born.
...but when you use language and phrasing like that, you're implying that Hasbro purposely tanked the production of Animated in favor of another show. I don't believe this is the case, as Animated was done at least a full year before the Hub and TF:Prime.
And it's not like Prime was just waiting in the wings. The staff of that show have said in interviews that the first couple of episodes were rushed because they had a hard deadline to meet (Nov. 2010, when the preview aired). Why would they have to rush the first few episodes if they were already planning this back in 2008-9?
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Disney just does not like to share profits. It's that simple. Even on something that would cost them absolutely no money to produce (Meaning all the work and production costs done by someone else), and all they do is sit back and collect revenue... if they have to share some of that with others, they'll sit on it forever and make nothing, before sharing.
Two examples of this: Pixar, and TF: Robots in Disguise.
When Pixar and Disney started working together, Pixar did the bulk of the work, and all disney did really, was distribute their movies and slap the Disney name on them. Not sure what the profit shar between the two was, but it was unfairly scewed to Disney. Also, Disney started pressuring them to become a sequel factory, giving every movie of theirs that makes even a little bit of money a stream of sqequels (Something they absolutely did not want to do)
Finally, when their contract came up, Pixar threatened to leave if they didn't get what was only fair. Disney said "Goodbye," and walked away and waited for Pixar to get even slightly desparate. Then swooped in and bought the entire company. The only reason "Pixar" as a name even exists anymore is because of branding, as the company itself is just another facit of Disney.
As I understood it, Disney bought out Pixar to prevent them from "walking away" again. Disney's in-house animation departments were doing horrible in the wake of Pixar and Dreamworks and Disney was worried that Pixar might partner with another distribution company (like maybe Dreamworks or even Warner Bros.). I highly doubt it had to do with Pixar being desperate and Disney coming to the rescue. I'd even bet that Dreamworks, Fox and Warner Bros. were all lined up to ink a new deal with Pixar just on the strength of Toy Story and A Bug's Life.
To me, the buyout of Pixar did smack of desperation, but not on Pixar's part.
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As for RiD... RiD was partly owned by Saban, who did all the dub work. Disney got control of it when they bought Saban.
Mind you, this was at the height of Transformer's popularity. Back when the first movie launched. Disney could have gotten in on that, when they were busy going through Saban's archieves looking for series they could air on ToonDisney/DisneyXD. All they'd have to do was share profits with Hasbro (A company they already had a good business relationship with).
Or share it with Hasbro and Rhino, to allow them to release it on DVD, when Rhino was trying to release as many TF dvds as they could.
But they just sat on it.
(I'm hoping this will be changed soon, as all the stars are alligned. Saban owns itself again, and they have a deal with Shoutfactory, who already has the TF lisence from Hasbro)
Actually, "Saban Entertainment" and all of its holdings are still owned by Disney. Haim Saban started a division called Saban Brands as part of Saban Capital Group (which he started after Saban Entertainment was sold to Disney). Saban Brands then bought the rights for Power Rangers from Disney for $43 million in 2010. They have also been buying other IPs in the last few years, but RiD is not one of them.
But I'd love to see a DVD/BD release of RiD in the US, however it gets done. I'd also love to see Animated Season 3 released too, for that matter. But I'm not holding my breath in either case.
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Disney, first and foremost stands for Greed. I really don't see why they would share with Cartoon Network.
While I've seen them air other network's shows on their own channel (Batman, Superman, Pinky and the Brain, and a few others), I've never ever seen them allow another rival network to air Disney shows. (IE, no one airing Darkwing Duck, Gargoyles, or Phineas & Ferb)
Like I said, I do hope you're correct and I'm needlessly worrying. But all we have to go on is the past. And only two examples (SHS, Ironman: Armored Adventures) say there's any hope the future for Clone Wars isn't as bleak as it seems.
I guess we'll find out soon enough. I sincerely hope it's able to continue unaffected by the change.
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