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SPIDER-MAN 4 Production Trouble
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01-06-2010, 08:20 AM
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Snowflakian
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I'd honestly rather have black cat, and the spidey mob stuff. At least then we can start filtering in tombstone, mysterio, and the tinkerer, maybe even chameleon. Though Vulture could work too, it'd still need some of the crime bosses like silvermane and so on to play off of. Lizard I'd dig too, but I'd prefer a black cat focused movie first, then him for the reason below.
This way they could build to neo-genic nightmare as a movie with the lizard and black cat so they can do man-spider to fix the only problem in spider-man 2, which was his entire schtick of his powers fading cause of his will was. Rather would prefer they do manspider, and say that was just peter's rationalization for his further mutation at the time. We'd need a setup movie with black cat prior to this though, along with a movie to start to insinuate genetic mutations to help build up for the lizard better than brief cameos.
Carnage is off the table for now, but he's possible later after the venom spin-off film. Especially since SM 3 sets him up with Connors' lab.
Basicly, I'd like to see
SM 4 - Black cat (Because petey needs a helper for later, and punisher among others are off the table now), Mob Families, maybe vulture/mysterio/Chameleon/Tinkerer. A Silver Sable cameo would be neat too, but could be saved best for later maybe. Maybe end the film with Silver Sable at a beach reflecting over what her family's done, to have a whirlwind of sand start happening, fade to credits. That way if they choose, they could do a sable sandman thing later. Or at least suggest they're working together to redeem themselves.
SM 5 - Electro Lizard and Man-Spider (the reason we need black cat, to get petey back to normal) Petey has to save doc connor's with a gene cleanser, basic tragic villian story, with a twist, once he saves connor's he starts turning into man-spider. Or the cleanser was to stop him from becoming man-spider, and he had to use it on Connor's instead. 6armed spidey, and black cat and doc connor's have to save him, after Spidey, sacrifices his chance at humanity to save connor's. The electro bit will just be the set-up for the lizard. Maybe a half hour at most with electro since he doesn't know his powers fully yet. So just a way to start the film with a bang, covering electro's quick origin, and then incarceration.
SM 6 - Sinister 6 (Mob Families Retribution, using shocker, Rhino, Electro, Vulture, and whoever else can by scrounged up for it. Basicly tying off some more loose threads of the mob family, and the villians.)
SM 7 - Seperation Anxiety/Maximum Carnage, or Planet of the Symbiotes. (Wrap up the loose plot threads of venom, carnage, and their origin. Still leaving eddie around yet again, for his own Movie series.)
SM 8 - The Jackal and the clone saga. To help set up for a very confusing 9. Also features the return of Norman Osborn.
SM 9 - Either the death of gwen stacy, or the trial of peter parker with Kaine, and all that stuff, at this point I've run out of ideas and spidey storylines short of his marriage to MJ, or Spider-cide and the other clones.
There's no need to reboot anytime soon, they've got plenty of ground still to cover, and as much of a mess Spidey 3 was, it has some nice outlying plot points for later. Add in the venom spin-off and spidey 3 is just a setup movie. So of course it's bad, it's just a setup movie for the others. Raimi can't really be held responsible since he was forced to use venom for it. Kinda like what's happening here now, he's being forced again to use someone different than what he wants to do, which may end up making it be spidey 3 all over again. Now if they'd just leave him alone, he'd pump out spidey 1 and 2's over and over. Which would be fine, if he stops killing off all the villians so we can have a sinister 6 movie at movie 6.
Everyone loves to scream reboot, but as I said about the deadpool movie even, only a lazy writer reboots, when they can just rework the history they've got already there.
It takes creativity, but heck, that's what writers are paid for! Look at Doctor Who for example, the writers on that have masterfully interwoven the episodes into a massive story, while still being self contained fun. Same could be said to JLU, among other toons and tv shows. So why can't movies show this kind of forethought? Spidey just needs some tweaking to rework what's gone wrong. Not a complete overhaul. Since they spared venom's fate in the 3rd movie, his spin-off could potentially help fill this gap as well.
I tend to feel the same about fantastic four though, no need for a reboot, just fill the problem gaps, and start afresh with Atlantis and namor. Sue and Reed are married now. Everything else is in the past, and we have the fantasticar now. Why reboot when we've just now gotten to where it can become good?
Even the silver Surfer prequel would have fixed galactus until they canned it all.
The fact of the matter is though, SM 3 as bad as it was didn't bomb at the box office. They don't make these movies for the die-hard fans, they try to make them appealing to all audiences, while still keeping the fans moderately happy. SM3 was a confusing mess in that regard though, and probably won't be repeated. Which is sad, because barring the botched ending battle, and rushed character interaction, it was more comic accurate than the previous 2.
Which to CEO's will mean comic accuracy is at fault, instead of just rushed character development, and interactions. Eddie for example would have been better to be cameo'ed in movie 2, to build for 3. Instead of shoving him all in one movie. Heck to be honest, he's who they should have saved for 4. And let 3 end after the sand-man bit. The fan demand, Sony, and marvel all insisted on venom for 3 though. Sony so they could use it to launch the venom spin-off movie, and the others because, well, the fans wanted it.
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