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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

The Marvel cartoons sucked before Disney got a hold of them. In fact, the only one that was truly good was The Spectacular Spider-Man. However, that is one show out of a ton.

Plus, Disney is in charge of Star Wars Rebels, and that show rocks. Disney

'The Avengers:Earths Mightiest Heroes' was moving in a very positive direction prior to being replaced by the more 'kid friendly' (IMO) 'Avengers: Assemble'. It was a pretty obvious move and a smack in the face for adult viewers who were presented with the prospect of watching either 'Avengers:Assemble' or 'Ultimate Spiderman'...both are non-starters.

Marvel also had a number of good dvd features at the time; 'Hulk Vs', 'Planet Hulk', 'Ultimate Avengers' (the first one), 'Iron Man' and 'Doctor Strange' just to name a few. However, post acquisition, all of that dried up. Why? I'm not sure, but it did strike me as odd given that animated flicks were celebrated by fans and received pretty well by critics.

As far as Marvel's 90's 'toons, I'd say your sentiment is pretty uncommon. At least, in my experience. You yourself brought up 'The Spectacular Spiderman' cartoon, which many people loved. 'The Fantastic Four' cartoon was arguably even more popular. I remember getting up early Saturday mornings (mid 90's) drunk and hung over in college with 5-6 buddies all in the same state to watch the cartoon religiously. Even the 'toons of lesser quality like 'The Incredible Hulk' were watchable. The 'Iron Man' cartoon of the time did really suck...the one that was a failed attempt at the Iron Man: Force Works comic....unngh, now that was tripe.

My overall point is that one would think Walt Disney Co, a publishing company that has its roots in cartoons, would do a better job supporting Marvel's efforts to produce animated features for all ages. Not just 'Big Hero Six'...which I've heard wasn't bad, but I just can't picture myself watching it.

EDIT:...I forgot to address this...Star Wars Rebels?!?! I'm a Trekkie, dawg. Star Wars can get stuffed in all orifices!!...and I mean that in the nicest possible way!

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Originally Posted by VonPooten

Honestly I think more than anything, the internet's proven more damaging than Disney (or maybe it's a combination of the two). It's fantastic that other people's voices are being heard, but I feel that a week or so of "trending" on Twitter will now lead to a character getting their own brand spanking new awesome series!! Only to be cancelled four issues later.

This influx of new series which sprout up everywhere has good intentions, but all of these will inevitably get cancelled because no-one can afford to pick up 22 new comics a month.

My only problem with Marvel now is that they are FAR too jittery to get to the next best new thing. As another poster said it's the same with editors, who allow every writer to do whatever they want regardless of continuity or respect to the characters (Spider-Man and the X-Men, anyone?)

I WAS the poster lamenting about Marvel's editor in chief green lighting everything. The internet definitely plays a role in the matter. However, only a weak-willed...in over their head...conviction challenged editor in chief would be willing to drop everything they know about publishing and genuflect to the fickle and fleeting fancies of the internet world...do what you know to do and the internet will celebrate it because it represents good product.

Marvel is a mess, there are some gems, but the future ain't looking good. I jumped off years ago and all I hear now (admittedly from older cats) on the web and in LCS's is how people are making an exodus from book culture. I'm not suggesting that Disney's purchase of Marvel was all bad...or the sole reason for 'craptacular' comics...hell, I'll take your money, thank you very much! Just stay out of daily operations the way you did when you were bankrolling Tarantino's films. Marvel needs an editor in chief who is willing not only to push back slightly against Disney's whims, but push back against the drivel being presented by writers and artist at Marvel. I've worked in news publishing, a financial publication (for 3yrs) that successfully transitioned from print media to web-based services...and I cannot stress enough the importance of strong editorial leadership...

If things continue as is, there will be no "material" for movies and television programing to tap...