[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

The '90s X-Men and Spider-Man cartoons were good and those were pre-Disney. That was 20 years ago now, but those were good. Of course I mean good under the circumstances of being a Saturday morning cartoon, we're not talking about Breaking Bad level programming here.

Yeah, they were good when you were a kid growing up, but have you actually tried watching them today? They are terrible. The animation is choppy. Spider-Man has really bad CGI in it that is also choppy. The editing is all over the place. The only one that I would still consider to be partially good is Silver Surfer.

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

'The Avengers:Earths Mightiest Heroes' was moving in a very positive direction prior to being replaced by the more 'kid friendly' (IMO) 'Avengers: Assemble'. It was a pretty obvious move and a smack in the face for adult viewers who were presented with the prospect of watching either 'Avengers:Assemble' or 'Ultimate Spiderman'...both are non-starters.

Is Earth's Mightiest Heroes the one that tried to just be Justice League but with Avengers? Yeah, no, I didn't find that show even remotely enjoyable. In fact, I was bored to death with it.

Haven't tried out Assemble or Ultimate yet. Ultimate is because I was so bummed about Spectacular's cancelation I just stopped caring. I do want to check it out though as I was told Cloak and Dagger show up in it along with a few other Spider-Mans.

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Marvel also had a number of good dvd features at the time; 'Hulk Vs', 'Planet Hulk', 'Ultimate Avengers' (the first one), 'Iron Man' and 'Doctor Strange' just to name a few. However, post acquisition, all of that dried up. Why? I'm not sure, but it did strike me as odd given that animated flicks were celebrated by fans and received pretty well by critics.

I loved Doctor Strange and thought Iron Man and the first Ultimate Avengers were decent, but Planet Hulk sucked. It doesn't help that I don't care for the concepts behind the story to begin with. Hulk Vs was a mixed bag. I liked the Thor one, but the Wolverine one had too much Deadpool in it.

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As far as Marvel's 90's 'toons, I'd say your sentiment is pretty uncommon. At least, in my experience. You yourself brought up 'The Spectacular Spiderman' cartoon, which many people loved. 'The Fantastic Four' cartoon was arguably even more popular. I remember getting up early Saturday mornings (mid 90's) drunk and hung over in college with 5-6 buddies all in the same state to watch the cartoon religiously. Even the 'toons of lesser quality like 'The Incredible Hulk' were watchable. The 'Iron Man' cartoon of the time did really suck...the one that was a failed attempt at the Iron Man: Force Works comic....unngh, now that was tripe.

I never cared for the Iron Man or Avengers cartoons. Hulk was okay, but if you watched one episode, you watched them all. The Fantastic Four was fine, but again, try watching them today without nostalgia attached and they are quite bad.

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My overall point is that one would think Walt Disney Co, a publishing company that has its roots in cartoons, would do a better job supporting Marvel's efforts to produce animated features for all ages. Not just 'Big Hero Six'...which I've heard wasn't bad, but I just can't picture myself watching it.

"Wasn't bad?" Big Hero 6 was only the best animated movie for 2014. It was the only one that did not disappoint me in some way.

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EDIT:...I forgot to address this...Star Wars Rebels?!?! I'm a Trekkie, dawg. Star Wars can get stuffed in all orifices!!...and I mean that in the nicest possible way!

That's how I feel about Star Trek. At least anything that is not Abrahms' movies.

Not sure why you can't like both though.

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Marvel is a mess,

Marvel was a mess before Disney bought them though. That is why I feel Disney is the best thing to ever happen to them because they need to start cleaning house. They need to get the company back on track to writing comics for enjoyment and not for money.

The problem today is that both DC and Marvel are writing comics for the money and not for the enjoyment. As such, their writers aren't doing their best, they are half assing it to get a paycheck. Geoff Johns seems to be the only one at DC that still cares.