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Originally Posted by CMIII

they never spacifically mention that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are Jewish. We know this from the comic books thanks to Erick Lensharr's Bloodline being Jewish. As for siding with Nazi remember Adolf Hitler himself was part Jewish and Leader of the Nazi Party so it's not unheard of for them to side with Nazi's. But Baron Strucker was a number 2 to Red Skull and acting leader of HYDRA so they were working for HYDRA not the Nazi. We know HYDRA had it's own goals as it included Berlin, Rome, and Tokyo as targets. We also know when Hitler took over areas he enslaved children. In Captain America 2 we see them in a prison.

It's still highly questionable that the characters who are of Romani-Jewish descent would work for a Nazi organization. Whether their origins are changed in the movie is moot. It still is two characters in the comics who were directly impacted by the Holocaust now portrayed on film as working with a Nazi group. Also the Romani ancestry is as much of an issue because the Holocaust did include gypsy bloodlines too. So either way you look at it, it's problematic. The Hitler rationale doesn't fly either. That's a loaded statement with far too much to argue that doesn't fit this same situation.

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Originally Posted by CMIII

with Hydra volunteered is subjective. Like Volunteering in the Army

They said themselves that they volunteered per AoU. They weren't prisoners. Granted their motives for volunteering were due to American/Stark attacks that killed their family. It still seems highly problematic that they'd then join a group that's no better and would very well wipe out the Maximoff's people or use them as fodder for protection. There is a propaganda angle that can be made, but it is highly questionable. Especially considering Strucker spoke of using the people as human shields right in front of the twins and then there's also Scarlet Witch's powers that would have let her read Strucker's intentions. There is story potential within there to further explain it, but the scenario is rather rushed and lacking that depth outside of quick one liners due to time constraints.

Overall, as the scene is setup now, they knowingly worked for a group that actively didn't care if they lived or died nor cared if their people lived or died. There is an argument that it was to get their powers, but then why didn't they themselves turn on Hydra once they had their powers? Even with the anger at Stark/America, Hydra was as much a danger to their people and should have had equal amounts of hatred directed at them.

It's a pretty big plot hole honestly. Factoring in the blind hatred because of American interference and foreign policy, it's still highly wtf. They traded one problem for another that's likely to be worse and in theory did so knowingly without any plans to deal with that threat later. Though there is an argument for the naivete of youth and how revenge blinds actions, the narrative is lacking in those departments to make that clear.

Then there's also the fact that many are pointing out that Stark made a rape joke in the film. Which honestly has no defense nor can be debated as it's poor taste period. Even factoring in Stark's arrogance, that one's a bit much.

On the positive side though, the exposition and expanding on Natasha and Clint's friendship was pretty freaking awesome. It also did dive headlong into that area of a man and woman can be platonic friends and still have a very deep bond and appreciation for each other without romantic connotations.