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Thread: New Marvel 3.75" Appreciation Thread
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Old 09-02-2015, 02:39 PM   #18373
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yeah, but Nova never quite achieved "lunch box" status, Wolverine was for years, and up until his death, one of Marvels top 5 characters. you could get away with having someone else BE Iron Man, because he's in a suit, any corpse can BE Deathlok, Hell you can make anyone "worthy" of Thor's Hammer, Which I guess now makes you Thor, even though like 12 people lifted it before chick and they remained themselves, but with the power of Thor. anyone can BE the Ghost rider. those are "titles" or Mantles, even Cap is a symbol, all be it that I don't consider Steve rogers a "secret" identity as much as a real name, but Wolverine IS Logan, he didn't stand for anything but his own moral code, how can someone else just decide to "be" him? it's just dis-arvel PC BS. look at every show on the Disney channel, they'll have a smart white girl, a pretty Hispanic girl, a few young black kids, throw in a genius Indian or Asian, and a dumb white boy. and a couple parents who are completely oblivious to what there minor children are doing.
not every story, household, group or community has to be a spot on representation of the overall American demographic! it makes it feel engineered and forced to me. but I guess that's Disney's kee demographic... morons.
lol

you know like that white boys are still waaaaay over-represented in everything. Look at the MCU line-up! Do you have any idea how infuriating it is to be a girl marvel fan, let alone black, or latina or trans, or disabled? not to mention i'm dreeeeading what they're going to do with Copycat in the deadpool movie, as the character is a sex worker(as are many of my friends) it means she'll probably be fridged in the comics. MCU still has no openly queer characters after existing for like 6+ years and having about a dozen movies and 3 TV shows.

Disney channel stuff is mostly corny disposable shit nobody puts much thought into anyway, not iconic like superhero stuff, and you're still way exaggerating. and most stuff disney puts out is still biased towards white. look at all the non-white Disney princesses too - they all need historical(or pseudo-historical) or stereotypical settings to justify them. None of them exist just in a fairy tale land. The closest is Agribah which is a somewhat offensive mashup of Saudi Arabia/Persia/India. The brown princesses/leads also tend to be more sexualised - Jasmine wearing the slave outfit, and Esmerelda being a very exoticised take on a Roma woman(not that Wanda hasn't gone down that road a number of times too). and the poc princesses are constantly pushed to the back of merchandising. which is in part because some of them are hard to sell - pocohontas exists in a massively dodgy space given the real girl she was based on, (Though I personally like the character)Jasmine's sexualised look probably doesn't mean much to most middle eastern/muslim girls... Mulan wasn't even a Princess, but pretty much only her and Tiana are the only real role modely type characters that mean anything towards their target audiences. Whereas white girls can relate to Ariel, Cindrella, Aurora, Rapunzel, Anna, Elsa, Belle, Snow White, Alice, Tinkerbell... not that people shouldn't try to relate to characters that aren't like them, but we only ever expect this of minorities, and it's fatiguing... i know i'm tired of relating to straight people.

like how malicious and selfish do you have to be to have a problem with the few shows that make the white guy the token instead(of which I can't think of many? Steven Universe?) there is such a huge and vast problem with representation, especially in hollywood. we still can't queer characters in kids shows ffs. as if gay people only pop into existence age 18? it's ridiculous. if you can have boys and girls holding hands and kissing you can have girls and girls. yet even when you do have queer characters, like korra and asami or ruby and sapphire you have to skirt around it or not show them kissing(granted R&S have SORT of kissed, but not the long passionate lips locked sorta thing).

"PC" is a nonsense term made up to silence people who want to be treated equally, making the people wielding it look like they're somehow censored or persecuted.

Study backing me up in case you need that sort of thing before you'll listen to someone who isn't a straight white cis boy:

TV can boost self-esteem of white boys, study says - CNN.com

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