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Thread: New Marvel 3.75" Appreciation Thread
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Old 09-04-2015, 07:55 PM   #18472
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My "problem" is more with the fact the "mantle" concept is that it really destroys character development! by making X-23 wolverine your saying that x-23 wasn't a viable character on her own, she needs to hold one of the main spots, they could have worked on developing Valkery or Sif, but they chose to just make a random female thor to make a point. Sam as Cap is probably the best fit, if it was only him. but a complete overnight PC realignment is just lazy story telling. These characters have lived the lives they did to become who they are to simply scrap them out and replace them because being a white male isn't gosh with the brainwashed masses anymore is just a pathetic attempt to stay "fresh and relevant" you want a good example that shouldn't offend any one: the new Hulk is Thor?!?! why? He's Thor! (oh excuse me chick got his name when she took his hammer) He's Odinson (oh wait that's sexist) lets make him green and call him hulk! lazy writing!
like you say your problem is one thing but then you go on to reveal a lot of really socially regressive leanings...

I don't think it's lazy storytelling. It's a soft reboot, like New 52 except done sort of right.

The fact is that most of these characters have been around since the 60s/70s and unfortunately things were a lot less progressive than they are nowadays. A lot of groups got shut out of feeling like they could be heroes too, and that's really hurtful. The movies are largely white dude fests, which isn't a lot of fun for someone like me who wants to see She Hulk, or Kamala Khan, or Wasp, or god forbid a character who's queer like me(Valkyrie? Idk, not that many queer characters in Marvel really esp. outside of X-verse).

It's not about offending people. It's about making sure that as many people as possible. Plus, it helps keep things fresh and interesting and gives you more archetypes, character histories etc. to draw from. Ms. Marvel/Kamala Khan is a great example of that. It wouldn't be the same comic if she wasn't Muslim, even if her being Muslim isn't really the central point of it. There's no reason why we should only pander to straight white cis dudes.

Writing it off as "offence" thing is deeply disrespectful towards everyone like me. I honestly don't feel comfortable hearing the term PC at all and would appreciate you didn't use it. It's not because I'm somehow oversensitive, it's because i have a long history of bullying, abuse and even violence that couldn't imagine. I've dealt with a lot more than most people. And I think I deserve more respect than to be treated like a whiny baby, which tbh describes most entitled white dude geeks more accurately anyway.

When you complain about PC what you're really saying is "I don't respect you as a human being in the slightest." You're saying you don't care about other people's struggles, or don't want to hear about them. You're writing off equality as part of some liberal conspiracy rather than a very real need for a lot of people.

We need to call a spade a spade and not pretending that this sort of thing is a cute opinion - it's not. It's malice. And I would really appreciate if people stopped doing it.
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