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Snowflakian · 09-05-2015, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kernel

Again, nobody is shoving anything down anyone's throat here. That pampers remark isn't cool Kylactus. Trust me, there are plenty of people "out to get you." Nobody on these threads but intolerance is a dangerous thing, look no further than the Holocaust, the Cambodian genocide, or what is happening in Syria today. I'm lucky to live in the U.S. and love it.

I've read Marvel and DC since I was in grade school, I actually like a lot of the stuff marvel is doing now if you have given up reading marvel I think secret wars is a great place to jump back on. I'm not sure if I should go the digital route or keep my paper comics/ TPBs.

I'm an old Marvel fan too, and I love the changes and natural character growth. Many of these storylines have been years in the making, some even over a decade.

X-23 to Wolverine has been hinted at since Claremont first used her in Uncanny X-Men right after NYX. Her entire character basis is the Wolverine trope but inverted. So it's Kimura as sabretooth and Laura as wolverine. That's always been the dynamic, now it's the dynamic in title name too. That was also hinted at right after the AvX event anyway. In the X-Men anniversary story when the future X-Men came back, Jubilee is using Wolverine's name. Which shows in the future it has become a mantle. X-23 taking over the name is the natural extension of that, and sets the stage for questions about how long her tenure will be before Jubilee gets the mantle or if that future was entirely re-written.

The new Thor is epic, and has had groundwork down for it since the 90s, possibly the 80s. Factoring in the Thor corps, and it's a natural story evolution from previous history. "Thor" has been a mantle since Beta Ray Bill. So if an alien horse can be Thor, why can't a woman? Don't forget about Dargo Ktor either. Dargo was Thor and that was decades ago. With continuity, this is actually a genius move because it places the new Thor as someone that could go to Valhalla where before they might not have, which adds more future story potential too. (Which is why it's not Sif or Valkyrie. Though they may get their own titles later, especially if Sif keeps picking up popularity like she has been thanks to the movies.)

New Cap. No one complained about Bucky anywhere near as much as Sam Wilson, and while Bucky is Rogers' legacy in many ways, so is Sam Wilson. Both have been partners for about an equal length of time and had Steve's personal stamp of approval. Though I would like to see Romanoff take on the mantle at some point in the future(that'd be interesting because it works on multiple story character internal conflict levels). Sharon Carter is likely the next candidate for the same reason Sam Wilson and Bucky were.

New Hulk makes sense. That's a character that premiered in Banner's title, and is essentially a modern day Rick Jones. Could be interesting especially with the established character personality he has.

New Spider-man is also pretty awesome. It gives Marvel what they want with a teen spidey, let's kids still have that title, and gives the older fans the continuing saga of an older peter parker. That's win win all around. Besides, the entire intent behind spider-man has always been that it could be anyone under the mask. Sam Raimi even made a point of that in the first spider-man movie when people argue over who he could be. Same to some animated appearances that did the same, among other comic stories too. It's also updating the original motif of the character conflict. Where before it was a bullied powerless nerd turned superhero, now it's more in line to modern standards and relatable because of the more modernized dynamics and universalities it uses to keep up with the times. The nerd v jock bullying paradigm has died down from what it was to the point it's not as relevant anymore in the modern world for stories that are geared to draw in modern youth.

Ms. Marvel makes sense in the modern world and with how it built up. That's literally the best candidate for that mantle and it's not like Carol kept the mantle intact anyway. She went by Warbird, Binary, and more. She's been trying to get rid of that name for awhile and the new character using it fits really well for it as well as has a pretty devoted readership now. Probably helps that her comic is good.

Captain Marvel makes sense. I mean that's literally how Carol got her powers. Though the downgrade in rank is a little confusing because that was one of the fun things about her interactions with Captain America. That her military rank was above his.

Kate Bishop Hawkeye is outright more fun than Clint. Plus I love the fact she's not giving up the name and even Captain America gave her the name during a time while Clint was MIA, and he gave up the name himself later to her when he was going by Ronin(was a great story to read too!). Kate, America Chavez, Nico, and X-23 though are my top faves out of Marvel so I might be biased.

This also means more figures. A larger library of characters and designs to draw from for toys, games, tv, movies, and animation. Better marketing too. Carol's name change in particular makes her movie much easier to market now too.

If good stories come out of it, and Marvel makes money off of it to keep making good stories, then there shouldn't be a problem. These shifts happen. Over with DC Alan Scott was green lantern, then Hal, John Stewart, Guy Gardner, and Kyle Rayner. Batman has changed his mantle a few times whether it's Dick Grayson, Jean Paul Valley, or even Alfred.

Before you crap on it, read it. If you're going to crap on it, at least have knowledge of the stories and back up your complaints with the work itself. Not hyperbole that's so far off base it's laughable.

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Originally Posted by K Dubious

X GON GIVE IT TO YA!

Goals.

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Snowflakian Illyria's New Qwa'ha Xahn Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: In the clouds. Posts: 4,120	Quote: Originally Posted by Kernel Again, nobody is shoving anything down anyone's throat here. That pampers remark isn't cool Kylactus. Trust me, there are plenty of people "out to get you." Nobody on these threads but intolerance is a dangerous thing, look no further than the Holocaust, the Cambodian genocide, or what is happening in Syria today. I'm lucky to live in the U.S. and love it. I've read Marvel and DC since I was in grade school, I actually like a lot of the stuff marvel is doing now if you have given up reading marvel I think secret wars is a great place to jump back on. I'm not sure if I should go the digital route or keep my paper comics/ TPBs. I'm an old Marvel fan too, and I love the changes and natural character growth. Many of these storylines have been years in the making, some even over a decade. X-23 to Wolverine has been hinted at since Claremont first used her in Uncanny X-Men right after NYX. Her entire character basis is the Wolverine trope but inverted. So it's Kimura as sabretooth and Laura as wolverine. That's always been the dynamic, now it's the dynamic in title name too. That was also hinted at right after the AvX event anyway. In the X-Men anniversary story when the future X-Men came back, Jubilee is using Wolverine's name. Which shows in the future it has become a mantle. X-23 taking over the name is the natural extension of that, and sets the stage for questions about how long her tenure will be before Jubilee gets the mantle or if that future was entirely re-written. The new Thor is epic, and has had groundwork down for it since the 90s, possibly the 80s. Factoring in the Thor corps, and it's a natural story evolution from previous history. "Thor" has been a mantle since Beta Ray Bill. So if an alien horse can be Thor, why can't a woman? Don't forget about Dargo Ktor either. Dargo was Thor and that was decades ago. With continuity, this is actually a genius move because it places the new Thor as someone that could go to Valhalla where before they might not have, which adds more future story potential too. (Which is why it's not Sif or Valkyrie. Though they may get their own titles later, especially if Sif keeps picking up popularity like she has been thanks to the movies.) New Cap. No one complained about Bucky anywhere near as much as Sam Wilson, and while Bucky is Rogers' legacy in many ways, so is Sam Wilson. Both have been partners for about an equal length of time and had Steve's personal stamp of approval. Though I would like to see Romanoff take on the mantle at some point in the future(that'd be interesting because it works on multiple story character internal conflict levels). Sharon Carter is likely the next candidate for the same reason Sam Wilson and Bucky were. New Hulk makes sense. That's a character that premiered in Banner's title, and is essentially a modern day Rick Jones. Could be interesting especially with the established character personality he has. New Spider-man is also pretty awesome. It gives Marvel what they want with a teen spidey, let's kids still have that title, and gives the older fans the continuing saga of an older peter parker. That's win win all around. Besides, the entire intent behind spider-man has always been that it could be anyone under the mask. Sam Raimi even made a point of that in the first spider-man movie when people argue over who he could be. Same to some animated appearances that did the same, among other comic stories too. It's also updating the original motif of the character conflict. Where before it was a bullied powerless nerd turned superhero, now it's more in line to modern standards and relatable because of the more modernized dynamics and universalities it uses to keep up with the times. The nerd v jock bullying paradigm has died down from what it was to the point it's not as relevant anymore in the modern world for stories that are geared to draw in modern youth. Ms. Marvel makes sense in the modern world and with how it built up. That's literally the best candidate for that mantle and it's not like Carol kept the mantle intact anyway. She went by Warbird, Binary, and more. She's been trying to get rid of that name for awhile and the new character using it fits really well for it as well as has a pretty devoted readership now. Probably helps that her comic is good. Captain Marvel makes sense. I mean that's literally how Carol got her powers. Though the downgrade in rank is a little confusing because that was one of the fun things about her interactions with Captain America. That her military rank was above his. Kate Bishop Hawkeye is outright more fun than Clint. Plus I love the fact she's not giving up the name and even Captain America gave her the name during a time while Clint was MIA, and he gave up the name himself later to her when he was going by Ronin(was a great story to read too!). Kate, America Chavez, Nico, and X-23 though are my top faves out of Marvel so I might be biased. This also means more figures. A larger library of characters and designs to draw from for toys, games, tv, movies, and animation. Better marketing too. Carol's name change in particular makes her movie much easier to market now too. If good stories come out of it, and Marvel makes money off of it to keep making good stories, then there shouldn't be a problem. These shifts happen. Over with DC Alan Scott was green lantern, then Hal, John Stewart, Guy Gardner, and Kyle Rayner. Batman has changed his mantle a few times whether it's Dick Grayson, Jean Paul Valley, or even Alfred. Before you crap on it, read it. If you're going to crap on it, at least have knowledge of the stories and back up your complaints with the work itself. Not hyperbole that's so far off base it's laughable. Quote: Originally Posted by K Dubious X GON GIVE IT TO YA! Goals. __________________ Last edited by Snowflakian; 09-05-2015 at 05:10 PM..