[Lionheart]

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Leia being a prisoner was part of the plot and was interesting.

It was about five minutes of the film and had no impact on the plot whatsoever.

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Her being a prisoner in a bikini is total cheesecake.

No more so than many other things in Star Wars.

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You can't deny it, and it's a person's own business what they do with that fact.

People can deny it as they wish, as what you expressed is an opinion - not a fact.

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For the guy making a comparison to Han as a point of "objectification", that argument might hold ground if Han was in a skimpy speedo or something.

That would be me, and once again you are stating opinions as facts - just because *you* don't think the argument holds water, doesn't make it so. Here's a little thought experiment for you: If the roles were reversed, and Han was chained at Jabba's feet with no shirt, and Leia was hanging on the wall - a literal object - what do you think the feminist reading of the scene would be? Think about it - and be honest.

By the way - Luke was in a speedo in the Bacta Chamber in Empire, and nobody cares, nobody ever references it. I wonder if Leia was in the Bacta Chamber in a bikini whether people might have something to say about it?

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Look people, I don't expect anyone to change their mind about this, but just think about it. I'm not a fan of revisionist history at all, but I can't stand the "the P.C. police are taking our rights" nonsense over action figures in bikinis possibly getting retired.

I personally don't care very much, but I'm not keen on the Mouse changing pre-existing properties to suit its boardroom box-checking agendas.

Frankly, I just want a decent 4 inch New Hope Leia...

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I remember the original toy of this costume was just called "Jabba's prisoner" and it sold amazingly well as I recall.

I agree. I don't recall hearing the whole 'slave' thing until after the internet. I used to call her Jabba's Prisoner - as did my friends. We were the target demographic, and never read anything sexual in it at all - he was a slimy slug criminal, and she was a Princess, so he chained her up to show he had a royal for a prisoner to all the denizens of his 'palace'.

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What defines a "true fan?" I always found the title condescending and odd. Like someone says "Mace Windu was cool" and someone else says "you're not a true fan." The OT is completely better though.

I'll give that a go: I think of a true fan as being someone who likes something whether or not the winds of social acceptance are blowing with them or against them. And will like that thing in a more permanent, lasting way, without dropping it in favour of something else. Something like that...

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I'm from Texas and I'm absolutely in favor of liberals trying to reform education. We have textbooks that completely try to downplay slavery ("immigrant workers") or any other bad shit America ever did (handling the natives, the Chinese, the Japanese, Vietnam vets, etc.) and teachers don't get paid enough. Liberals usually come off as preachy wimps but conservatives still seem under the assumption that everybody's a Christian, they're all stupid in their own ways. Keep Church and State away from each other but also don't forcibly elevate minorities just to pretend the country has made progress.

As long as the changes aren't the kind of pendulum pushing ones that take one kind of half-truth and replace it with another. You almost never hear about the Middle-Eastern slave trade nowawadays, even though it pre-dated and post-dated the transatlantic one - taking many more people. And nobody seems to ask where the black people in the Middle-East are now...

People also seem to forget that the first slaves in North America were white, and that the first owner of black slaves in North America was black, and had to fight for his right to own them. Also seldom mentioned; 95% of transatlantic slaves went to South America, with North America taking only 5%, even though South America gets little of the blame for it today.

Why am I rambling about slavery? Maybe it's the 'Slave Leia' thing...

Regardless: History is complex and nuanced, and too often curriculums give little bites or try to simplify things - for better or worse - that should not be simplified. Either that or they push whatever agenda is popular with 'those that know better than us' at the time.

Having said all that - it's 2015, and China and India are the biggest populations on earth with rapidly growing massive economies, and neither of them are teaching their kids balanced views of history, so maybe it really doesn't matter what the west does. We can play with our molded plastic figurines of fictional heroes (made in China) while Rome burns...