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Originally Posted by Captain Nash

Dr. Strange Line up? Where, where? the characters you mention alone would be awesome, I'd love to see/hear more about this!

Also that's an interesting conversation regarding female powerhouses. if I may throw my hat into that ring, I think the most powerful females are going to be more energy or magic based users. Storm, Phoenix (both Jean and Rachel) Moonstone and Captain Marvel (both Carol and Monica) as far as energy based, Magik, Scarlet Witch, Selene, Madelyne Pryor and Morgan Le Fay as far as magical are to me not only the most powerful women in Marvel but potentially the most powerful characters period, with throwing a handful of males like Thor, Loki, Dr. Doom, Dr. Strange, Mangneto, Wonder Man and X-Man in there. That's not taking into account any Lord of Hell which is a whole different direction. And if you're talking the most overall powerful marvel character, we really need to look at the characters who were able to create entirely new realities (without Time Travel or revealed to just be psychic manipulation ) and that would Morgan Le Fay and Scarlet Witch. To me, that pretty much tops any other ability, be it psychic or physical.

Apologies for not posting the full series! It's rumoured to be Nico, Baron Mordo, Doctor Strange (comic version), The Ancient One, Brother Voodoo, Iron Fist (MCU version?) and two movie Doctor Stranges: one astral, and one not. No BAF revealed though, much like the X-Men wave rumour.

You make really good points there, and Jean and Wanda (and Morgan too!) would definitely take the points for most powerful IF writers didn't have to keep driving a bus over them. Strange, Thor, Hulk, all are consistently written as extremely powerful, but Wanda's "mental illnesses" prevent her from being a true powerhouse. Damn you, Bendis!

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

Yeah Susan Storm could be super deadly like the Super Skrull if she let loose but her morality keeps her from doing that all the time. In the cosmic run when Rachel was with the Starjammers she was kinda regularly referred to as an omega level telepath and a significant threat by different alien species plus in AvX she kinda took Thor on solo so just above average doesn't sound right for her especially reckoning when she had the Phoenix force under her control.

Rachel is the ultimate bad arse, and coincidentally she's the most popular underrated character. She took out Thor with a psychic Mjolnir for crying out loud! She was also, as you said, an absolute powerhouse fighting Vulcan, and don't forget that time she went toe-to-toe with Galactus, and also when she formed a black hole to kill The Fury. She has some major skill.