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Originally Posted by VonPooten

You make really good points there, and Jean and Wanda (and Morgan too!) would definitely take the points for most powerful IF writers didn't have to keep driving a bus over them. Strange, Thor, Hulk, all are consistently written as extremely powerful, but Wanda's "mental illnesses" prevent her from being a true powerhouse. Damn you, Bendis!

Yeah, Wanda. Even when the Avengers JLA crossover occurred, league members quickly determined that Wanda was the cause and that she was the single greatest threat. We know she can warp reality thanks to House of M and Avengers: Disassembled. But so can a few other characters like Jasper, Korvac, Proteus, and Sersi (another femme to add to the list of uber-power). Additionally, she took out one of the Enchanters (Magnir) on her own without the aid of Thor or Odin. The Enchanters function more as enemies of Odin than they do Thor, quite an impressive feat. However, her mortality, inability to survive the vacuum of space, and vulnerability to physical injury all make her more of a runner-up in comparison to that upper echelon of over the top power.

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Originally Posted by VonPooten

Rachel is the ultimate bad arse, and coincidentally she's the most popular underrated character. She took out Thor with a psychic Mjolnir for crying out loud! She was also, as you said, an absolute powerhouse fighting Vulcan, and don't forget that time she went toe-to-toe with Galactus, and also when she formed a black hole to kill The Fury. She has some major skill.

Rachel is another beast entirely (and I mean BEAST). Her considerable TK powers, combined with her telepathic abilities, all of which augmented by the Phoenix force, make her very much like Maxima of DC (although, I think Rachel is potentially more powerful in spite of Maxima demonstrating more 'on-hand' physical power). Her TK gives her a measure of invulnerability and super-strength, theoretically. More significantly, her Phoenix Force makes her a power cosmic wielder. Unfortunately, as you alluded to, writers can either carry or ruin the day by limiting her access to the Phoenix Force.

Rachel has had many standout battles; a starving Galactus featuring prominently. However, I cringe when this technique is employed in order to make a statement about a hero or villain's level of power i.e. Thanos and Odin doing the same to Galan when his strength was waning (fight Glactus straight up dammit! lol I just might be a Galactus fan ). Using this logic, Silver Surfer is by far the most powerful being among Marvel heroes given that he defeated not one, but two fully powered proemial gods in the form of Tenebrous and Aegis. A feat that even Galactus was shocked to learn. Ahem...fanboy mini-rant done and I'm most definitely a Surfer fan!!! ...back to Rachel. She also defeated/overwhelmed the Beyonder by giving him all of the Phoenix's power. That's pretty crazy stuff right there. Then there was her fight with Necrom, a former Phoenix Force user AND sorcerer supreme of his reality. I believe that was when I was most impressed by her might. They were going at it and she attacked him with planets....Planets!?!? But of course, her conduit to the Phoenix was on full-tilt because it (the Phoenix) wanted to reject Necrom...if I remember correctly.

With all of that said, it's obvious that she's a heavy weight. But I'm left wondering (as with Wanda) exactly how 'heavy' she might be. She acquitted herself well against an energy leech like Vulcan, but was clearly out-matched against Gladiator (one of Marvel's many Superman-like characters...along with Sentry, Blue Marvel, Strontian/Xenith). How would Rachel fair against Thanos?...Odin?...Zeus?...Mikaboshi?...Mephisto?.. .Tenebrous?...Aegis?...Dormammu?...Franklin Richards?...X-man?...Onslaught?...Magus (of the Technarchy - how the hell did Colossus, Rogue, and Nightcrawler ever defeat him?) and a whole slew of other 'ultra-might' characters?

I could pontificate about these things for days, but I'll spare the thread and end my tangential contribution here...

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I also want Clea...