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Originally Posted by Mercutio

That escalated quickly.

Don't worry, the only Mary Sue in Star Wars is that kid from a desert planet who befriends a lost droid carrying secret information, escapes the planet in the Millennium Falcon, turns out to have incredible abilities in the Force, proves to be the key to defeating the planet-destroying villains, and leaves to train with an old Jedi living in seclusion.

That's not a Mary Sue. A Mary Sue is a character who is the best at everything, without having a reason why they are, they just are. They don't get beat, the don't usually need help. Luke is none of those things. He fails at picking up the X-Wing with the force. Fails at defeating Darth Vader in Empire Strikes Back. Doesn't beat the Emperor, his father does. He's not a Mary Sue in the slightest.



Watch the video, it provides great insight. She's a Mary Sue.... no one seems to provide reasons why she's not except reasons that were torn apart in the video.

This other guy has a good argument as well.

''According to Wikipedia:

'A Mary Sue or, in case of a male, Gary Stu or Marty Stu is an idealized fictional character, a young or low-rank person who saves the day through extraordinary abilities. Often but not necessarily this character is recognized as an author insert and/or wish-fulfillmen'.

Here are my arguments that Rey is a Mary Sue:

1, She has no flaws. She is in danger once in the film, and immediately overcomes it. Said danger is the main villain and arguably one of the most powerful characters to grace the series, demonstrating a level of ability with the force not witnessed before (freezing bolts in mid air).

2, She is a perfect swiss army knife of a character. She can beat people up with a staff. She can speak all the languages she needed too. She is a great scavenger. She enters the Millennial Falcon, makes it better, and flies it with precision on par with Han Solo - despite never leaving her planet, and thus, likely never having flew before. She has the force used on her by someone trained by both Luke Skywalker and Snoke, and almost immediately overpowers him with her own force powers. She later uses the force to bring Lukes sabre towards her. She also cleanly beats Kylo Ren without taking a hit.

3, She has almost love like bonds with a number of characters, despite only just meeting them. Han immediately warms to her (and she literally replaces him at the end of the film). Leia hugs her at the end of the film despite never(?) having met her.

Rey quite literally, minutes after being exposed to the force, not only out maneuvers a well versed user of force not only a blood relation to Luke Skywalker, but also trained by him and a Sith Lord. She then quite easily kicks his ass with a light sabre. That even sounds fan fiction tier. Like, if this wasn't actually in the movie, and someone wrote this, it would be laughed at.

Luke is not a Gary Stu because:

1, He's shit. He loses repeatedly. He gets saved by Obi Wan twice in the first film, against the Tuskan and in the Bar, gets saved by Han Solo, gets saved by Leia from falling to his death after fighting Darth Vadar. He gets wrecked by Vader after a year of training with Yoda.

2, Luke's main achievement in Episode Four is blowing up the Death Star using the force. This is the culmination of the film, after Luke travels with Obi Wan and is made aware of the force. He is also being aided by Han Solo who is shooting down Vader's elite troops. Also, by luck or fate, the way through the Death Star is in a crevice much like the valleys he would have flew on his own planet, and, due to Luke, at this point in time being the equivalent to an Intergalactic Hillbilly, is in a situation where his one strength is needed. As Luke states, he'd spent his time taking pot shots at rats on his planets, and was thus a 'crack shot'.

To summarize; Luke is able to take out the death star after being made well aware of the force, after making a number of fuck ups throughout the film, with the support of Han Solo protecting him, guided by the ghost of Obi Wan who has become one with the force, in a situation that uniquely applies to the one thing he's good at (piloting in tight spaces) and that he's spent his whole life training for, with a single 'pot shot' guided by the force using all his willpower.

Ren is able to use the force minutes after seeing it, against the strongest foe in her film (also a trained force user), is able to use the force on the storm trooper, and is able to use the force to bring Luke's sabre to her. She also uses the force to beat Kylo Ren - a man with years of experience with the force trained by both a Jedi Master and a Sithlord. Merely a few hours after being made aware of the force.

3, In Episode Four, Luke's only strength is as a pilot. It takes him another film to be able to bring his sabre to him. He gets destroyed by Vader when he goes to fight him. Luke routinely fails at things, takes years of training, is the 'one to bring balance to the force', and still isn't able to defeat Vader.

So that's my reasoning. I see a lot of stuff about people being sexist - I don't care that she's a woman. I also see a lot of articles vitriolically stating you have to be some sort of monster to think this. I don't get it.

To stave off the inevitable Finn comparison - Kylo Ren was clearly toying with Finn, swinging and brandishing his sabre to show off, and quite easily takes him out. It isn't the same situation.''