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Originally Posted by MESH

Can you guide me to Wikis or plots where Optimus was optimus without beings Orion ?

Given the franchise history and it's many, many incarnations, fictional multiverses, and more, it's far, far easier to list the ones that has an Orion Pax:

• Generation 1 Cartoon
• IDW Current Comics G1 Comic Continuity
• Wings Universe Comics
• Aligned*

*The Video Games are considered officially to be part of Aligned, but no one told the makers that and they created Aligned after War For Cybertron came out anyway. Additionally the Prime TV series has officially and within the story went out of their way not to tie in to the games, so for this list and topic, they don't count and are listed below.

Every other fiction has an Optimus who was never Orion Pax first. Some, but far from all, include:

• Marvel G1 Comics
• Dreamwave G1 Comics (His pre-Optimus Prime form was called Optronix)
• Beast Wars/Machines/II/Neo
• Robots in Disguise (the first one)
• Armada (Cartoon, Comics, Games), Energon (Cartoon and Comics), Cybertron
• Alternity*, Alternators, Binaltech**
• Animated
• The Live Action Movies
• War For Cybertron, Fall of Cybertron, Rise of the Dark Spark Video Games.
• Cloud and Transtech

*Due to the nature of Alternity, some versions of Convoy was likely Orion Pax within the Alternity collective, but not all.

**Due to the very odd nature of Binaltechs story structure, where and how it connects to the original G1 is a bit odd, as sometimes they pull from the comics (No Pax), other times the cartoon (Pax), and the story itself is a major splinter away from events of either continuity and has Time Travel in it, but since Optimus Prime is largely dead in it and other factors at play, at best it's ambiguous.

And the Wiki you'll want to use is Transformers Wiki - TFWiki.net

The Transformers franchise uses a multiverse approach, similar to Marvel's in some ways, with a rather complete universal stream system to indicate which fiction characters can come from and to help keep all these different incarnations and universes straight. Even in the universes with an Orion Pax, his background is far from the same; in Aligned, he's one of the 13 Primes who made a sacrifice, in G1 he was a dock worker. In IDW he was the equivalent of a police officer who was moved after reading Megatrons book and seeing police corruption. He's also been a librarian. So even who Orion Pax is varies. Four incarnations of Orion Pax with four different origin stories. Just as the part Prime in a name; sometimes it's part of a name, sometimes it's a rank, and sometimes it indicates a Matrix bearer. It's not always the same.