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Snowflakian · 07-10-2017, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

War-Machine I guess could be made white, his basic background is just military service and being Tony's friend, and I think Steve Rogers should always be white because he comes from the 1940s when I doubt the military would make anyone else a super-soldier and him being white helps him represent opposition to the Nazis by someone they would gladly have on their side.

I think we should veer away from this type of discussion, it isn't really suitable for the thread and if it escalates the mods would have to step in.

Rhodes' expanded side story stuff plays to his race as making it a point to his character, plus he's a reference to the Tuskegee airmen. So as a Pilot himself in the airforce, and then the second person to get an Ironman based armor(after Tony), it fits to his overall character metaphor as innately part of it.

Steve Rogers you're right about, part of his original character metaphor is that he's literally Hitler's ideal punching Hitler. So yeah, blonde hair blue eyes is needed for his original innate character metaphor. That being said, it was actually very common in WWI and WWII that minorities were experimented on. Marvel did do a miniseries that talks about that too. Patriot's relative is a super soldier from that and how Patriot eventually got powers from a blood transfusion from his relative.

He-man on the other hand is based off of Conan, which is Sumerian barbarians or something of that like but overtly americanized into a power fantasy. So that one's tricky to approach. Because of the innate satirical essence of it though, white does kind of fit there. But the others are all open for any interpretation. A black Man-at-Arms would be rather cool tbh. Which then makes Teela at least biracial. And now I want to see Idris Elba portray Man-At-Arms for a live action He-Man. That'd be awesome!

Wakanda the metaphor is innate. So no whitewashing there. The isolationist aspect of the nation prevents that. Except for Bucky in cryo. But the movie doesn't take place entirely in Wakanda either. At least from what the trailer suggests with the streets and cars from the outside world. So it's the outside world where Stan Lee would have his cameo.

Heimdal is different as his original nordic roots even suggest he was of a bronze-ish sheen in nature. People still complained though. But again, Asgard was written as an Alien race that vikings thought were gods, etc. Race wasn't really a factor to any of them as innate metaphors go. History and retellings of myths on down do tend to rewrite things.

It varies character to character. But Matt Trakker is on that open list where it's not part of his innate metaphor or persona.

07-10-2017, 10:40 PM	#52
Snowflakian Illyria's New Qwa'ha Xahn Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: In the clouds. Posts: 4,120	Quote: Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd War-Machine I guess could be made white, his basic background is just military service and being Tony's friend, and I think Steve Rogers should always be white because he comes from the 1940s when I doubt the military would make anyone else a super-soldier and him being white helps him represent opposition to the Nazis by someone they would gladly have on their side. I think we should veer away from this type of discussion, it isn't really suitable for the thread and if it escalates the mods would have to step in. Rhodes' expanded side story stuff plays to his race as making it a point to his character, plus he's a reference to the Tuskegee airmen. So as a Pilot himself in the airforce, and then the second person to get an Ironman based armor(after Tony), it fits to his overall character metaphor as innately part of it. Steve Rogers you're right about, part of his original character metaphor is that he's literally Hitler's ideal punching Hitler. So yeah, blonde hair blue eyes is needed for his original innate character metaphor. That being said, it was actually very common in WWI and WWII that minorities were experimented on. Marvel did do a miniseries that talks about that too. Patriot's relative is a super soldier from that and how Patriot eventually got powers from a blood transfusion from his relative. He-man on the other hand is based off of Conan, which is Sumerian barbarians or something of that like but overtly americanized into a power fantasy. So that one's tricky to approach. Because of the innate satirical essence of it though, white does kind of fit there. But the others are all open for any interpretation. A black Man-at-Arms would be rather cool tbh. Which then makes Teela at least biracial. And now I want to see Idris Elba portray Man-At-Arms for a live action He-Man. That'd be awesome! Wakanda the metaphor is innate. So no whitewashing there. The isolationist aspect of the nation prevents that. Except for Bucky in cryo. But the movie doesn't take place entirely in Wakanda either. At least from what the trailer suggests with the streets and cars from the outside world. So it's the outside world where Stan Lee would have his cameo. Heimdal is different as his original nordic roots even suggest he was of a bronze-ish sheen in nature. People still complained though. But again, Asgard was written as an Alien race that vikings thought were gods, etc. Race wasn't really a factor to any of them as innate metaphors go. History and retellings of myths on down do tend to rewrite things. It varies character to character. But Matt Trakker is on that open list where it's not part of his innate metaphor or persona. __________________ Last edited by Snowflakian; 07-11-2017 at 04:56 AM..