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hasbroherofan · 07-12-2017, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by donmeca2020

Show me again the PC'ed out character rosters for rebirth PLEASE...

You mean like Justice League of America having an Asian kid as the new Atom, a gay man as the Ray, having characters like Vixen being part of the team and the writer saying the book was meant to be representative of modern America?

How about that transgender woman character in Detective Comics?

The Green Lantern series that's being led by a Muslim man and a Latina woman?

Teen Titans having a black and gay kid as the new Aqualad?

The Batgirl title full of a bunch of diverse supporting characters?

The New-Superman book starring a Chinese kid with Superman's powers?

The Midnight & Apollo min-series starring a gay superhero couple?

How about that new Batwoman ongoing title?

Or the new Deadman mini-series centered on an LGBT couple?

Sounds an awful lot like PC nonsense!

But I'm moving on now because there's no point in getting into another circular debate. I'll be over here waiting for the Jane Foster figure.

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Originally Posted by Captain Nash

Throwing my hat into the crossover debate, I think that family-title crossovers can be less detrimental to storylines than company wide crossovers can. I'm not saying some ideas don't get put on hold but there's likely more flexibility for a writers input and for proper characterization. I just don't think every event needs to spiral into a line wide event. Also of course there's missing parts of the story most of us would have because most readers aren't going to get 40 different titles.

@Dr Kain, the ones you mention are great examples of what works (or I assume works I haven't read the DC ones yet) because they are family books. I think a lot of the X-overs work because they didn't spill into 40 books, just kept it between 4-ish books. Another example: For as much as I dislike BMB I thought the Avengers Disassembled was a great event (until the ending took a big crap on Wanda). The other events he's written not so much and it doesn't just stop with him.

I think the big problem too as others have mentioned is there's now a seemed need to shoehorn events into a yearly schedule, or now more than that. It used to be there was a big line wide cross over 1-2 times a decade along with crossovers in the family book groups, especially the X-titles. Secret wars which was a mini and Onslaught which was the first real "line wide" crossover IIRC, then it became a thing in the mid-00's to have a yearly event as well as some minis and family book crossovers, again mainly X-books. Now it's like they can't tell a story in a book anymore because they're trying to force 2-3 events a year in. It's too much IMO. Give the books some time to breath because I think most all of us have event fatigue.

There was a great video that summed up the problem, which is that crossovers have gotten so frequent that there's no breather room anymore. You can't have a big story that completely upends the status quo unless you have an actual status quo to upend to begin with.

That's been one of the big problems with Secret Empire. It came far too soon after Civil War II, which people already argued came way too soon after Secret Wars.

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Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic

No problem my friend...so on that note...TOYS!

Besides...who doesn't love a good catfight?

Which stands are you using, if I may ask?

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hasbroherofan Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 3,335	Quote: Originally Posted by donmeca2020 Show me again the PC'ed out character rosters for rebirth PLEASE... You mean like Justice League of America having an Asian kid as the new Atom, a gay man as the Ray, having characters like Vixen being part of the team and the writer saying the book was meant to be representative of modern America? How about that transgender woman character in Detective Comics? The Green Lantern series that's being led by a Muslim man and a Latina woman? Teen Titans having a black and gay kid as the new Aqualad? The Batgirl title full of a bunch of diverse supporting characters? The New-Superman book starring a Chinese kid with Superman's powers? The Midnight & Apollo min-series starring a gay superhero couple? How about that new Batwoman ongoing title? Or the new Deadman mini-series centered on an LGBT couple? Sounds an awful lot like PC nonsense! But I'm moving on now because there's no point in getting into another circular debate. I'll be over here waiting for the Jane Foster figure. Quote: Originally Posted by Captain Nash Throwing my hat into the crossover debate, I think that family-title crossovers can be less detrimental to storylines than company wide crossovers can. I'm not saying some ideas don't get put on hold but there's likely more flexibility for a writers input and for proper characterization. I just don't think every event needs to spiral into a line wide event. Also of course there's missing parts of the story most of us would have because most readers aren't going to get 40 different titles. @Dr Kain, the ones you mention are great examples of what works (or I assume works I haven't read the DC ones yet) because they are family books. I think a lot of the X-overs work because they didn't spill into 40 books, just kept it between 4-ish books. Another example: For as much as I dislike BMB I thought the Avengers Disassembled was a great event (until the ending took a big crap on Wanda). The other events he's written not so much and it doesn't just stop with him. I think the big problem too as others have mentioned is there's now a seemed need to shoehorn events into a yearly schedule, or now more than that. It used to be there was a big line wide cross over 1-2 times a decade along with crossovers in the family book groups, especially the X-titles. Secret wars which was a mini and Onslaught which was the first real "line wide" crossover IIRC, then it became a thing in the mid-00's to have a yearly event as well as some minis and family book crossovers, again mainly X-books. Now it's like they can't tell a story in a book anymore because they're trying to force 2-3 events a year in. It's too much IMO. Give the books some time to breath because I think most all of us have event fatigue. There was a great video that summed up the problem, which is that crossovers have gotten so frequent that there's no breather room anymore. You can't have a big story that completely upends the status quo unless you have an actual status quo to upend to begin with. That's been one of the big problems with Secret Empire. It came far too soon after Civil War II, which people already argued came way too soon after Secret Wars. Quote: Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic No problem my friend...so on that note...TOYS! Besides...who doesn't love a good catfight? Which stands are you using, if I may ask? Last edited by hasbroherofan; 07-12-2017 at 05:04 PM..