[Trivial Psychic]

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Originally Posted by Brownfinger

I'm not sure I understand where this is coming from, and I very much want to. I get it if you don't like them, and to each his own, but they've taken great pains to ensure the precise opposite of what you're alleging. Civil War and Guardians of the Galaxy and Black Panther are the same movie, really?
I wonder if this opinion comes from the fact that several of the characters cross over and are consistently themselves? Robert Downey chews up the scenery and I get why some people may not appreciate the fact that the camera loves him. I'm obscenely pleased that those people are a very small minority, though. But if that's the case, I get what you'd be saying, there.

Iron Man 3: Hero has his powers, has fall from grace and loses his powers, meets sidekick(s) who are ultimately smarter, wiser and funnier than they are. Snark, snark, snark, (OH...the jokes!) Laughs galore and a general lack of concern for the gravity of the situation from everyone. World might be ending, but YOLO right? Hero gains back their power(s) in a moment of clarity. Spotty antagonist development where their motives are fuzzy, or are curbed by some plot twist revealing the "REAL villain," forcing you to try and understand their motives in the final ten minutes of the film. CG final battle with varying degrees of success in terms of either looking amazing or looking like a video game, and a villain often killed off before he really had a chance to shine or impact.

Yes....even Black Panther (which I honestly felt was underwhelming) fell into this formula. Not every film Marvel has made has fell into this pattern (the first Ant-Man, GotG and Civil War for example) but several of Marvel's films have, to the point where many of the films have become boring and predictable. I get that they are supposed to be loud, fun, summer blockbusters meant to tie up neatly in two hours, but a change of pace would be greatly appreciated. How to come about that though, I'm not exactly sure. Something more straight laced as some of Fox's X-films perhaps? Who knows.

Before it comes up, yes...I also get that many of the these story arch patterns also the archetype to the stories of heroes dating all the way back to the fables greek heroes and the bible. Something about the way that Marvel presents them just bugs me. I'll still trudge through them, but most of them become one timers or I end up forgetting what happened hours later because there was little to anything that really left a mark.

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Originally Posted by Brownfinger

I'm going to help you out. When highlighting the quality of DC's movies, Batman vs. Superman belongs nowhere near that paragraph. It was inane garbage by every objective measure.
Wonder Woman was pretty good, I'm surprised to see you say that you didn't like Justice League because that would also be an adequate example to use here. So anything with humor is bad, is what I'm taking away from what you're saying. I can respect the opinion of those who don't want it in their superhero movies, but people have to relate to how absurd these things are on some level. That's why DC is attempting to move away from a lot of the clenched teeth grimdark edgelord circle jerk stuff into lighter fare, because you're gonna lose the general audience with it. And I think they'll be better off for it. The reviews reflect that, the money reflects that. These things have to be self-aware.
And again, if you don't personally enjoy Marvel's approach, that's totally fair. I don't think they're really the same movies unless they're direct sequels, but you like what you like and I see a lot of dudes on this forum that are kinda generally angry about Marvel's movies. But you are the first person I have ever seen or heard say that DC "kills Marvel" with its approach in Batman vs Superman.
There is not enough booze in the world to move me towards that kind of thinking.

When I said "killing Marvel" I guess I meant in developing their characters and universe into what they wanted it to be, (although, admittedly, that seems to be in flux now for DC.) Although people slammed the "lack of fun" in Man of Steel, it was great to see for the first time the actual struggles Superman dealt with on a daily basis of having all that power, and yet having to maintain responsibility with it. He could have killed his bullies with a flick of his finger, yet he constantly had to move on, had to endure it, out of responsibility to his both his moralities and to his family. Although many shouted to the heavens that "Superman doesn't kill!," when it finally came time to do the deed, Clark was left with a supremely difficult choice, to kill off the last remaining remaining member (and final chance to learn more) of his home world, or to serve the needs of the many that would be killed on his adopted homeworld if he didn't commit to this sacrifice. It was the first time I had ever seen this kind of take on Superman, and it stuck with me, as it was was something I never thought about before, but suddenly had to. Batman and Wonder Woman were very much the same way. Diablo in Suicide squad (a movie I hated) was a humbling surprise as well. The only characters Marvel wise in the film verse (cause I consider the film and Netflix verses to be very much seperated) with this same kind of deeper development in my opinion has been Captain America and Black Panther. I'd say Iron Man, but he's just as much the same self righteous A-hole in the current films as he was in the first.

The Netflix Marvel characters don't quite suffer from the same development issues, but that's because they have a longer format (not to mention a longer leash) to really get into it. It's one of the reasons why I enjoy the shows much more than the movies.

Getting back to Justice League...

Justice League bothered me really on two fronts, the stupid motiveless villain (MOTHER!!!) and the sudden change of tone from Snyder verse into Wheedon's snarky verse. It's really jarring. You can almost tell who shot what. We start off with an A-hole Aquaman who's suddenly whooping it up with his surfer bro attitude out of nowhere. A grim and very serious Batman who now suddenly can't help but crack one liners every chance he gets like he's in a Schumacher film. The attempts at humor often seemed so forced and out of left field that they threw off whatever momentum that Snyder had tried to build, turning what started as a serious film (if we can can call comic films that...) into a music video.

That's not to say I don't love a laugh in my comic films though. Ezra Miller's portrayal of the timid and semi aloof Flash was one of my favorite parts of Justice League, and he stole every scene he was in. Wonder Woman had some great comedic scenes as Diana tries to integrate into the world and the role women played circa World War I. Guardians was a pleasant surprise, and Ant-Man did it really good as well. Homecoming had some great parts as well, and I like what I've seen out of Shazam so far. Going back, the original Blade films have some of the most laugh out loud (and bad ass) moments of all time in the comic film genre.

I can go further into it, but I've made this post long enough and don't want to derail the thread anymore with movie talk that I already have. I'm open to PM discussion though should anyone want.

TL/DR: Comic book film fatigue can be experienced by otherwise rational people if all the films start to feel the same.