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Originally Posted by ddarko

You are certainly right. But in many of those series, you usually do not have something so blatantly incompatible at a fundamental level though.

We may have to agree to disagree about that, LOL.

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Originally Posted by ddarko

I think the issue still is that no matter of how indescribable his power, he only comes across as a formidable person that has greater power than his foes. But for all that, he is still practically lying dead (um.... I mean... life support haha) on the Golden Throne.

But God, at least the one that is philosophically established and defended like in the schools of Aristotelian Thomism (and by virtue, in Catholicism) is not a being of that nature. God is pure existence itself. While the emperor may certainly be powerful, there is nothing about him that even comes close to that level of power.

Even more fundamentally, the emperor is after an earthly kingdom, pretty much like the textbook description of an Anti-Christ. If one ever had to evaluate if one was the same person as Christ based on evidence, the emperor is the very definition of everything opposite.

We're obviously not reading the same books.

Personally, I think that there is ample basis to position the Emperor as God (unless GW pulls another Oldhammer-style "End Times" clusterfuck to "move the setting forward" and has Chaos eat everything via authorial asspull fiat) within the ambiguities of the WH40K universe. As previously mentioned, the Emperor has been recognized, not as a formidable person that has greater power than his foes, but rather as something entirely different and ultimately unknowable to them, something that neither the C'Tan "star gods" nor the so-called gods of Chaos have any hope of directly opposing (and so are reduced to the equivalent of throwing eggs at his house), and whose ultimate goal is not an earthly kingdom but rather the salvation of mankind from the fruits of their own sins (i.e. Chaos).

That's one way of looking at it, anyway. The older lore was much more explicitly premised on the idea of a Godless universe where all spiritual entities were simply the collective manifestations of each race's psychic energy, and thus ultimately the products of a blind, Darwinian evolutionary process.

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Originally Posted by ddarko

, well, I am not sure how precise you are about these things, but I think its established consensus in the W40K community by now that the entire lore is filled with inconsistencies (and this is leaving aside the games).

If you recall, GW's official stance is apparently that it's all canon, especially the inconsistencies.

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Originally Posted by Foreddyn

Bah! All these talk of heresy! Bring in the WAAAGH!

But in a serious note, if these are 7" wouldn't they be in scale with 4" scale then? Since they're giant-like? Or am I thinking about the Primarchs?

A 7" Space Marine would be waaaay too big to be in-scale with a 4" Guardsman.

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Originally Posted by Stranger

Absolutely love this but even though I'm an avid 7" collector I think this would translate way better in 3 3/4 scale. You can't just have one space marine. You need a whole squad with some terminators and dreadnoughts and tanks and bikes and... I'm running out of table space.

Absolutely, but perhaps if this is succesful we'll see GW/Bandai experimenting with smaller scales, kind of like how the table-top game comes in regular and "epic" flavours to allow for the setting's larger and more exotic war-machines to be deployed.

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

This thread took an interesting turn. How often does a toy post turn into a theological discussion?

Catholics, man. You can't take 'em anywhere.