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Originally Posted by ddarko

No no, it does not have to be like that I am fully open to being convinced otherwise.

Yeah, but that infers that I actually care to argue Starwars endlessly all day. I do not. I'm honestly shocked I've maintained interest THIS long. For me, they are stupid fun movies, and that's really all.

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Originally Posted by ddarko

Actually, what you say is indeed the problem. Watching TLJ makes you undermine the status of the characters in the previous films. That is bound to make you hate the new character, unless they are interesting (but as I have said, they are not that interesting).

I like Rey. As someone who grew up in the middle of nowhere desert of the Southwest, I feel for her. For me, Luke wasn't all that. He was whiny in ANH, Empire he was annoyingly whiny to Yoda, and ROTJ he had a slow sword fight with his dad for an hour, and he didn't ACTUALLY change his dad through reasoned conversation or love, but because Vader didn't wanna see the Emperor cook him. No love. No reminders of his mother (which I'm sure SOMEONE in the Rebels had the story of by now). Vader's redemption is hollow, imho, and more for time than actual story. ROTJ is worse than TLJ and ROTS on my list.

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Originally Posted by ddarko

Sure, but this just makes TLJ a bad movie. One of the greatest revelations of the movie, after TFA built up the question of Rey's lineage, was to say that its nothing special. It was almost on the same level as Luke throwing the Light saber over his shoulder dismissively. Rian Johnson thought subverting expectations translated to good story telling, so that is how these things went! If JJ decides to reverse those choices, then TLJ inevitably look cheap and aged. It would seem that the chapter merely existed to offend the audience (or shock value / experiment in subverting expectations).

Rey's parents thing didn't bother me. I expected it, honestly. Too soon a reveal. I thought the reveal of Kylo being Ben was too soon. Luke's nonchalant attitude reminds me of Yoda's silliness when he first met Luke. Also, like Luke, Yoda ran away at his first failure into pity and self-exile just because he couldn't beat Sidius at their first fight. For him, it was better to wallow in the mud for 30 years than help protect millions of people from a tyrannical government lead by his order's archenemy.

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Originally Posted by ddarko

Oh, I never meant to say he was the most interesting character. My point was that at least we can have an ark if the story was about him overcoming all odds, beating the enemy that handed his ass to him in the first part, and becoming the hero that leads the First Order to triumph! But, as we all know, the protagonist is Rey (and we are supposed to consider the Empire/First Order to be definitely bad without an explanation. This was a weakness in the original trilogy too...). What sort of ark are we to have now in regards to her? She is already at the end of the ark since TLJ.

As stated before, I don't think Rey's origin is answered. I think it was an attempt of Snoke, thru Ren, to weaken Rey. Create doubt in her mind. Confusion. The path to the dark side. I hope my origin is right, then it ties Rey to the prequels AND the OT, but if they have another origin, I'll be good with that too, long as I get fun effects, ridiculous battle scenes, and hours of poorly written dialog with choppy character development, like I have in the previous 8 movies.

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Originally Posted by ddarko

This is why it would be interesting to see Kylo develop to finally beat Rey.

Nah. I hope she cuts him across the nose AGAIN and says "This time, keep it there, or the next time, my sword goes UP it!"