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Dolemite · 06-03-2020, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lionheart

It would probably count as sexual assault and / or attempted rape.

Well, I'm sure that's not the only time a character like Biff had gotten out-of-line with a lady...

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To me it adds the gravitas the scene needs for George to stand up to Biff - not just as a nerdy picked-on guy, but as someone doing something genuinely important. It lends real weight to the perfectly timed buildup. The subsequent scenes riff (riff - Biff?) on the idea that when George stands up to Biff he becomes a confident stand up guy permanently, and Biff stops being a bullying thug permanently (a former coward can become brave, a former bad guy becomes... not bad?) but really it feels like movie logic because life doesn't work that way. We as an audience are so focused on George standing up to him so Marty can be born, and then Marty getting home in time to save Doc, we let the nice neat bow everything gets wrapped up in slide.

The sequel (Part 2) really played with the idea of events changing people though - especially Biff. What would a Biff who got what he wants looks like? Basically a monster. I mean, they have him murdering George McFly to get Lorraine - who he forces into getting fake boobs and cheats on anyway, and he's even prepared to kill Marty. The films don't shy away from showing that Biff is not just a big bullying buffoon, but he can be genuinely nasty.

Yeah, I totally get what you're saying, and I agree with you to an extent. I'm just saying that it's a really, really dark turn in an otherwise fairly whimsical and lighthearted movie. It just feels off compared to everything that came before it. Well, except for Doc being mowed down with a machine gun, but it's okay! He was wearing a bullet-proof vest.

Okay, back to toys. Why does "Tales from Space" Marty look like he's wearing make-up?

06-03-2020, 12:38 PM	#54
Dolemite Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 4,016	Quote: Originally Posted by Lionheart It would probably count as sexual assault and / or attempted rape. Well, I'm sure that's not the only time a character like Biff had gotten out-of-line with a lady... Quote: To me it adds the gravitas the scene needs for George to stand up to Biff - not just as a nerdy picked-on guy, but as someone doing something genuinely important. It lends real weight to the perfectly timed buildup. The subsequent scenes riff (riff - Biff?) on the idea that when George stands up to Biff he becomes a confident stand up guy permanently, and Biff stops being a bullying thug permanently (a former coward can become brave, a former bad guy becomes... not bad?) but really it feels like movie logic because life doesn't work that way. We as an audience are so focused on George standing up to him so Marty can be born, and then Marty getting home in time to save Doc, we let the nice neat bow everything gets wrapped up in slide. The sequel (Part 2) really played with the idea of events changing people though - especially Biff. What would a Biff who got what he wants looks like? Basically a monster. I mean, they have him murdering George McFly to get Lorraine - who he forces into getting fake boobs and cheats on anyway, and he's even prepared to kill Marty. The films don't shy away from showing that Biff is not just a big bullying buffoon, but he can be genuinely nasty. Yeah, I totally get what you're saying, and I agree with you to an extent. I'm just saying that it's a really, really dark turn in an otherwise fairly whimsical and lighthearted movie. It just feels off compared to everything that came before it. Well, except for Doc being mowed down with a machine gun, but it's okay! He was wearing a bullet-proof vest. Okay, back to toys. Why does "Tales from Space" Marty look like he's wearing make-up? Last edited by Dolemite; 06-03-2020 at 03:05 PM..