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TheBlueMarvel · 10-02-2020, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

As your response to my comments demonstrates. As I pointed out, you're pretty much indulging in a dictionary-perfect example of "First World Problems," attacking people who were, by the standards of the time, ardent liberals, doing ardently liberal things like presenting an integrated, international, interracial team of superheroes, because one character isn't as blandly, snooze-inducingly perfect as you want her to be.

I didn't respond to you with a cliché, so I'm not sure what you meant by that first bit. I also didn't know "first world problems" had an actual dictionary definition, as I can't find it in Oxford and Wiki and Urban Dictionary don't count for much more than gibberish. Go figure, here I thought it was just a silly toss away line people on the internet use when they feel threatened by something that challenges their worldview and/or a deflection used when someone is too lazy to commit thought to a presented concept/pondering. If you think what I wrote constitutes an attack (my goodness, what would you do if was really "attacking???"), maybe viewing liberals as "snowflakes" is yet one more in a long, long list of projections. Without getting into how you could possibly divine the intent/motivations of the the creative team in question as it pertains to that particular image (when you check you'll see that I fell short of that: "intentional, or not") - "Ardent liberals" by the standard of whom exactly? Daniel Patrick Moynihan? I don't expect you to get the reference, but hey, maybe you'll do some independent research of him, his views, and how the field (i.e. his own peers and history) came to regard his work and ideas as toxic and dangerous. All because you believe that accurate cultural depictions are 'bland and boring' doesn't make it so. Maybe try to learn about ethnicities outside of your own without falling back on comfortable and erroneous over-simplifications? What was the last "tribal setting" you visited? lol cray-cray much?

Bonus: ARDENT - nice lexical expansion on what I usually see from you! You get a nickel from the PSAT bank

You dug deep on that one...but I have to take 3 cents back for lack of effort in that you repeated the word and only changed it slightly by converting it into an adjective. You could have gone with something like "unequivocally" that second time around, which would have netted you a full dime and offered variety to the reader...

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Originally Posted by Jester

This from the guy who whines about Storm appearing "barefoot and topless" in an African tribal setting.

I wasn't whining. I was pointing out an observation that I made even as a young child. An observation that so very obviously bugged you to the point that you felt the need to "whine"...twice over now.

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Originally Posted by Jester

If you want to argue that the racial politics involved in Beetz's casting didn't contribute to the sequence of events that resulted in an inexperienced stuntwoman being killed because she was hired on the basis of her race rather than her suitability for the job, then you have no grounds to criticize anyone on the basis of "logic."

You see, this is where you fall short; maybe this is a theme with you - dunno. Beetz's casting didn't create the circumstance that lead to that poor woman's death, a death that you obviously don't really care about because if you did you wouldn't have tried to make an inane point using it as a frivolous prop for an incredibly weak argument. The production team made a series of tragically poor decisions all of which were entirely independent of the one made to cast a black woman as Domino. They could have easily made similar decisions leading down the same path had a white woman been cast in the role. Unless, of course, you are presupposing that all white stunt women emerge from the womb popping wheelies on dirt-bikes. Yes, your logic is embarrassingly flawed on a number levels, in my honest opinion.

Hey, just food for thought, it takes a really stilted and insular perspective to try to twist that scenario into an anti-affirmative action argument. It's really not good for the soul. If you don't subscribe to individuals having souls? Then it's not a healthy outlook if you want to continue to evolve as a human - aka an intellectual dead end.

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Originally Posted by Jester

"Stereotype" literally means a "true (solid/tangible/three-dimensional) impression" of a given thing.

LOL uhh, I'm not sure where you pulled this from:

See 2-2 (doesn't quite say what you said, but I guess we all comprehend things differently - "literal" interpretations are on the spectrum, ya know?)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stereotype

https://sites.google.com/a/isd112.or...ebsite-builder

Have a good weekend Jester.

HFC set NABBED! HIP, HIP...

EDIT: HOORAY!

10-02-2020, 05:45 PM	#67291
TheBlueMarvel MarvelLegends/DCUniverse Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: On the metaphysical plane of celestial BOOM BAP! Posts: 6,040	Quote: Originally Posted by Jester As your response to my comments demonstrates. As I pointed out, you're pretty much indulging in a dictionary-perfect example of "First World Problems," attacking people who were, by the standards of the time, ardent liberals, doing ardently liberal things like presenting an integrated, international, interracial team of superheroes, because one character isn't as blandly, snooze-inducingly perfect as you want her to be. I didn't respond to you with a cliché, so I'm not sure what you meant by that first bit. I also didn't know "first world problems" had an actual dictionary definition, as I can't find it in Oxford and Wiki and Urban Dictionary don't count for much more than gibberish. Go figure, here I thought it was just a silly toss away line people on the internet use when they feel threatened by something that challenges their worldview and/or a deflection used when someone is too lazy to commit thought to a presented concept/pondering. If you think what I wrote constitutes an attack (my goodness, what would you do if was really "attacking???"), maybe viewing liberals as "snowflakes" is yet one more in a long, long list of projections. Without getting into how you could possibly divine the intent/motivations of the the creative team in question as it pertains to that particular image (when you check you'll see that I fell short of that: "intentional, or not") - "Ardent liberals" by the standard of whom exactly? Daniel Patrick Moynihan? I don't expect you to get the reference, but hey, maybe you'll do some independent research of him, his views, and how the field (i.e. his own peers and history) came to regard his work and ideas as toxic and dangerous. All because you believe that accurate cultural depictions are 'bland and boring' doesn't make it so. Maybe try to learn about ethnicities outside of your own without falling back on comfortable and erroneous over-simplifications? What was the last "tribal setting" you visited? lol cray-cray much? Bonus: ARDENT - nice lexical expansion on what I usually see from you! You get a nickel from the PSAT bank You dug deep on that one...but I have to take 3 cents back for lack of effort in that you repeated the word and only changed it slightly by converting it into an adjective. You could have gone with something like "unequivocally" that second time around, which would have netted you a full dime and offered variety to the reader... Quote: Originally Posted by Jester This from the guy who whines about Storm appearing "barefoot and topless" in an African tribal setting. I wasn't whining. I was pointing out an observation that I made even as a young child. An observation that so very obviously bugged you to the point that you felt the need to "whine"...twice over now. Quote: Originally Posted by Jester If you want to argue that the racial politics involved in Beetz's casting didn't contribute to the sequence of events that resulted in an inexperienced stuntwoman being killed because she was hired on the basis of her race rather than her suitability for the job, then you have no grounds to criticize anyone on the basis of "logic." You see, this is where you fall short; maybe this is a theme with you - dunno. Beetz's casting didn't create the circumstance that lead to that poor woman's death, a death that you obviously don't really care about because if you did you wouldn't have tried to make an inane point using it as a frivolous prop for an incredibly weak argument. The production team made a series of tragically poor decisions all of which were entirely independent of the one made to cast a black woman as Domino. They could have easily made similar decisions leading down the same path had a white woman been cast in the role. Unless, of course, you are presupposing that all white stunt women emerge from the womb popping wheelies on dirt-bikes. Yes, your logic is embarrassingly flawed on a number levels, in my honest opinion. Hey, just food for thought, it takes a really stilted and insular perspective to try to twist that scenario into an anti-affirmative action argument. It's really not good for the soul. If you don't subscribe to individuals having souls? Then it's not a healthy outlook if you want to continue to evolve as a human - aka an intellectual dead end. Quote: Originally Posted by Jester "Stereotype" literally means a "true (solid/tangible/three-dimensional) impression" of a given thing. LOL uhh, I'm not sure where you pulled this from: See 2-2 (doesn't quite say what you said, but I guess we all comprehend things differently - "literal" interpretations are on the spectrum, ya know?) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stereotype https://sites.google.com/a/isd112.or...ebsite-builder Have a good weekend Jester. HFC set NABBED! HIP, HIP... EDIT: HOORAY! Last edited by TheBlueMarvel; 10-02-2020 at 06:16 PM..