[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Nimrod

"Lack of a waist swivel"?? Ultron has a waist swivel, it's right under the belt. And again, we're gonna have to agree to disagree about this "diminutive" scale you say he has. He's slightly taller than both Ironman/Cap figures & Cap is listed as being 6'2 & in armored form, Ironman is also about 6'2, so the fact that Ultron is a bit taller than both of em would make him in the 6'3-6'4 range. Thor is 6'6. I have yet to find any pics of the MK8 Ultron, which this figure is based on , where Ultron towers over any Avenger, you posted a pic where you say he's the same hgt as Thor & again, I think he's standing on rubble in the pic. As far as an "updated" Ultron, if by that you mean taller, then you might as well stick with the MS version as that is what it seems you are asking for. The only "updated" Ultron I would want is this 99' version from the Perez/Busiek run, & again, in the same scale as the current MK8 version.

Yes, and now we've come full circle, as I replied to you last week that we'll need to agree to disagree. Now that you've reiterated it, it's well and truly official...

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

We'll have to agree to disagree then as it regards my mind's eye perception of how tall and imposing Ultron should be. Especially if you are dismissing artistic interpretation in favor of official height listings. FYI - because, of course, I checked before responding the first time - the OHotMU does indeed list Ultron at 6', however, it also lists Tony in Iron Man II armor at 6'4", which I flatly rejected on its face. This sort of size discrepancy, one never depicted in the books, is exactly IMO why artistic interpretation, especially that of iconic artists, is the literal rubric to which I usually default. After all, the artwork not only sets the stage, it is the principal modality through which we are introduced to all things comic book (no disrespect to writers, they are undoubtedly the storytellers, but this is a visual medium).

Lets take a closer look at how two iconic artists (that I know you like and have mentioned often) depict Ultron: John Byrne and George Perez. I'll start with commissioned pieces similar to the first photo you used. The fact that these are 'commissioned' pieces is important because that means someone is paying for work not only highly representational of the heroes and eras therein, but emblematic of the ultimate expressions of said artist on said subject matter.



As you might be able to see, in Byrne's eyes, Ultron is meant to be pretty corded/yoked and every bit as large as Thor. Notice the quads. The Shoulders. The thickness of the biceps. You can even see dude's lats from the damn front...he's deez'ed ('diesel' for those that didn't grow up in NYC circa 86'-95').

On a side note: Didn't you customize a Vision fig because you thought the mold to be too little? Looks like Byrne doesn't view ol' boy with the same lenses.

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Here's a black and white Perez commission of Ultron. The black and white presentation might actually make it easier to see differences in size/girth. Again, Ultron is easily the size of Thor and Tony is somewhat dwarfed even while wearing a bulkier more modern armor. Now something can always be said of intended perspectives within any illustration and Tony is slightly recessed into the background, but it's a no brainer that this Iron Man armor is not of a similar stature to that of Thor.

Let's juxtapose the previous illustrations and my takeaways from the Perez commission to the following comic panels taking another look at that iconic battle with the Avengers that I posted yesterday. Pay specific attention to the legs, thickness of the arms, and Ultron's comparative form to those of both Thor and Wonder Man (bigger dudes than Iron Man):







While they both have metal armors, Ulron and Iron Man have not and should not share the same proportions IMHO. All said though, your second photo made me feel a little better in that Ultron doesn't look to be 'shorter' than goober azz Tony. However, based on the Iron Man fig's feet being set oh so slightly farther apart, I'd guess Ultron's as tall as Iron Man, which is:

Here's your response from last week that seems to come quite close to agreeing...even going as far as to cite that you have the illustrations I used in special Ultron files you keep on your computer. Still not saying anything about that; we all got our kink we keep tucked away from prying eyes.

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Originally Posted by Nimrod

Awesome retort my friend. I have those very pics that you posted in my favorite Ultron pics file. I totally agree that Tony in armor is not 6'4, heck some books have him listed as being 6'6 in armor...Bolderdash I say! Byrne does tend to draw the Vision with a slim build but at 6'3, 300lbs, he should be buffer imo so I differ to the Perez, Buscema, Heck versions of him. Based on the pics of Ultron next to MOD IM, he represents the 6 ft-6'2 scale & I'm good to go with that. I always love to use these panels to demonstrate that Tony does not grow in hgt when armoring up due to the armor being skin tight. No way he gains 4-6 inches in hgt, at most 2 inches as the boot soles would be at least an inch thick & another inch of helmet padding as the helmet wouldn't be rubbing up against his scalp, imagine the rug burn from that! So 6'2 armored up in any & all armors minus the mission specific armors. My custom Vision.

Also the OHBotMU back in the day didn't list Ultron at 6'2". It actually listed him as 6' and Iron Man II at 6'4", which is ground we also covered discussing what seemed to be a shared understanding that Ultron has never been depicted as shorter than Tony in any illustrations.

It never ceases to amaze me the deep seated umbrage people take to someone not liking something that they like, especially on the internet. I know humans lean toward the gregarious side of the ledger and flock both mentally and physically, but, while I'm not a contrarian, I'm also not necessarily one to fall in with general consensus.

If you like this figure, like it to bits. What do I care? It's become fashionable to hate on Pizza Spidey, but none of that has changed my fondness for the fig and I still prefer it over the retro version we were recently delivered. Thanks for letting me know the Ultron fig has a waist swivel as my order is still winding its way to my home.

Also, I find a good bit of humor in the fact that you, someone that digs this fig, have already announced that you will be joining me in calls for a redone Ultron. Thank you, I appreciate your support in this endeavor.