[Dr Kain]

Okay, now Hasbro really needs to release Wolfsbane so I can recreate this cover:

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

I knew going into this that a dialogue was going to be challenging because there seem to be a wide variety of discrepancies in our views and experiences. Generally I prefer not to respond this way because it's forces the conversation into myopic concepts making any larger understandings and connections more difficult. However, when in Rome...maybe it's easier to understand things in bitesize helpings.

It's cool, I like hearing your opinion on the matter.

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If you truly believe in the liberal argument regarding a 'living wage', beyond its seeming use in this case as a largely empty rhetorical declaration, then you actively think about how that plays out in real-time and seek logical next steps for making this a reality.

I don't believe any company deserves to be in business if they can't afford to pay their employees wages that match the cost of living and give them health benefits that aren't going to put them in debt just for getting sick.

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If someone wants to improve their income/career options, then they need to either seek training, education, or secure a great deal of hands on experience in order to increase the value of the work they perform. Unfortunately, many people aren't willing to put in that effort, or they lack access in some capacity.

I get what you are saying, but let me give you my personal experience, as...

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Let's use substitute teaching as an operative example.

...because this is exactly what I am.

I have a Maseter's degree, which now made me overqualified for full time teaching positions in Colorado because they won't hire people with a Master's anymore due to the notion they have to pay those with the degree higher. However, some districts will hirer those with a Master's degree under the agreement you will not demand a higher rate for having one.

As a sub, I make $120 a day, and only on the days I actually work. I don't get paid weekends, I don't get paid holidays, and I don't get paid in the summer.

A regular teacher here in Colorado is paid between $34-41K a year depending on the school district and the location of the school district. Like Denver Public Schools will pay 40K because you're dealing with poor neighborhoods. The district I'm in pays teachers $34K a year because they're in the richer areas of Colorado. A teacher may be given a .05% raise after three years IF they meet the requirements set by the district during those initial three years.

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simply absurd comment about children being paid livable wages...LOL WTF?...I think children should be in school learning, NOT being used as child labor in any capacity anywhere.

That's my point though. We know fully well China's factories are not fully staffed with adults.

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However, when that happens (it's actually already happening) expect to be paying more for everything. This is the natural cost of equity.

Then what difference does it make if they are outsourcing to China or manufacturering them here in the states?

Hell, manufacturering them in the states also means they no longer have to have them shipped from overseas. They don't have to pay their employees to fly halfway around the world to do inspections. Those alone would save money.

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CEOs do get overly exorbitant salaries and I agree that most could use a significant haircut. However, if you don't understand the process and cost of manufacturing, then, the only thing I can tell you is do some research and review American history, as the info is out there. You generally want to gain an understanding of things before you simply pick an ideological viewpoint and start spouting off stuff.

Dude. you're talking about someone who went to a business high school and took business classes in college. I know what the reality has been for decades, but we're no longer in the 20th century, it's time to move away from the boomer mentality and come up with newer options.

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but the way you are presenting it has many gaps and feels very superficial.

That's because I'm just spouting off ideas and concepts. If this were a college classroom, I would go into better detail with more info. It's just a message board though, so there is no point in doing such.