[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by firmpulse

As usual that's an over simplification and not at all why I (or many of my friends) don't like the newer stuff.

I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about general audiences.

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While I enjoy Cosmic stuff the most I'm good with a solid street level movie. The Batman was fantastic. Because they focused on story and not gimmicky bullshit.

I agree, The Batman was amazing. The best Batman movie made since 89.

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Marvel movies have become dumb.

Define dumb.

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And the tone changed COMPLETELY after Infinity Gauntlet. I couldn't even get through Thor L&T. Thor was a ridiculous bumbling idiot but, all the women heroes could do no wrong. In fact Thor needed them to save him and the universe. Not to mention they totally f'd up the Gorr story and character.

Yes, Love and Thunder was bad, but the tone has not changed at all. Some have been more light hearted to ease the audience back into a comfort zone after how heavy IW and Endgame were, and even then, you have the masterepiece that is No Way Home and then Doctor Strange 2 was quite serious.

Not to mention the wonderful Disney+ series like Hawkeye, Ms Marvel, She-Hulk, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and WandaVision. All of those were simply superb.

Oh, and then there is Werewolf by Night, which is an utter masterpiece.

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I'm tired of Marvel completely changing characters to the point that they no longer resemble anything (other than a name) like the characters I grew to love. And the reasons I like them in the first place. I'm also tired of the constant near slapstick tropes.

I agree with the slapstick tropes aspect, but this is just how comic books work.

Can you name a character specifically outside of Thor?

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It's Disney. They've fucked up Marvel and are destroying Star Wars. If you, or anyone else for that matter, disagree I don't care. That is what I think. And I'm absolutely not alone. I've given every single one of these newer films a chance. And in my opinion they have all been mediocre at best. At worst laughable with totally inept storytelling.

First, no, just no. Disney did not fuck Marvel up one bit. Marvel fucked Marvel up. Or did you forget about the likes of the 90s Captain America, Fantastic Four, Generation X, and Nick Fury moveis? Or that Sci-Fi Channel Man-Thing movie? Then you had the other fuck-ups like Blade II and Trinity, DareDevil, Elektra, X-Men 3, Origins, Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, Fantastic Four 1 and 2, Ghost Rider 1 and 2, Punisher 1 and 2, etc. And the most recent ones, Venom 1 and 2 and Morbius were not Disney, but Sony.

Secondly, Star Wars was screwed up well before Disney bought the franchise. When you get down to it, there is nothing original about Star Wars because everything behind it was taken from something else. The only reason Star Wars lasted is because it was a pioneer for the action blockbuster and special effects. I love the original trilogy with a movie here or there and a few TV series, but saying Disney screwed it up is a massive oversight. The only reason you can say the fucked it up is because they are the only ones who bothered to produce too much of it to varying results.

After all, Disney had nothing to do with The Holiday Special, Droids, Ewoks, and The Phantom Menace. Those were all Lucas.

Disney has still given us Rebels, The Mandalorian, and Rogue One, all of which are the best Star Wars content since Empire.

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I'm actually looking forward to GOTG V3. But I don't expect much. Adam Warlock is one of my favorite Marvel characters. I look forward to seeing how they fuck him up. Quantumania looks engaging. I'll give it a chance as well. Big Kang fan and Majors is a FANTASTIC actor. Both of those appear to be larger than a "worldwide threat". So that blows apart your statement as well.

I'm looking forward to every Marvel movie because Marvel has by far created the biggest universe in movie history.

To me, the only true bombs are Dark World, The Eternals, Captain Marvel, and Love and Thunder, with Dark World being the worst of the franchise.