[Jester]

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

Yes, them too! Exactly!

My point isn't some kind of appeal to nostalgia, that "the old ways were better", but that there were cultural reasons that these visual tropes came to be in the first place, that people didn't view it as "underwear on the outside" back in the day but instead a straightforward evocation of the visual features of real-life examples of great physical strength, and that those evocations then began to reinforce themselves within the medium when superheroes themselves became the icons of physical strength and ability that future creators drew upon. At some point cultural views about clothing eventually changed to where some began to view trunks as silly, but to me that specific notion has always felt less like a straightforward natural development and more like people internalizing "schoolyard bullying over interests"-level of petty mockery towards the visual tropes of superheroes, or insecure worrying about it making them "too silly" and restricting superhero stuff from being """serious enough""". Superheroes don't need trunks to denote strength or fighting ability, of course not! There's so many more ways superheroes can do that now. But I don't think spurning them is really constructive, either. Trunks aren't something we need to let go of, when they can continue to exist alongside newer visual tropes and aesthetics.

A good point.

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

While I'm team manty, I do appreciate where you are coming from. Nostalgia stymies progress on many fronts (innovation/creativity/social interaction/art/science/etc). I get it.

What has been will be again. What has been done will be done again. There is nothing new under the sun.

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Originally Posted by firmpulse

I'd love a Batmobile with functioning gun doors and pop up 50s. As someone who has totally disassembled a Flash Batmobile for repainting I can tell you that the circular detail bits are not easily removable. Could they create clip on guns with smaller tabs? Yeah maybe. But it would require a structural support revision within the interior and the guns would be positioned too far forward. They would look kind of weird. Not an ideal solution. It would not make me pay more money for a "Gold Label" version.

Also, what makes you think they are now allowing guns (again) in the line? I'd LOVE that. But haven't seen any indication that's happening. The Batfleck bike has them but they have no muzzle holes. They don't immediately read as "guns". Much different than a pair of readily recognizable mounted 50's.

Huh. I always thought that they were .30 cal M1919s, given the guns' overall size in relation to the Batmobile.

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Originally Posted by firmpulse

Man I agree. If it's WM it will suck BIG TIME. I never even saw Knightfall AzBats.

Oof, if I'd known he was going to be so hard-to-find, I would have picked a couple more for trading. Maybe then I could actually get my hands on the classic costume version of Kyle Rayner...