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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

X-Men 3 wasn't handled by vaughn or singer. So those complaints are already moot.

Actually... the script was finalized back when Vaughn was still attached to the project. I read a draft before he dropped out that was 99% what was in the final flick. All Ratner added was a few fanservice moments. Ratner was brought into the project a month before principle shooting started.

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Spider-Man 3's issues were sony and avi arad's interference trying to please fans who wanted venom. Hmm, there's that thing again, trying to please fans made a crappy movie. Though to be fair, it was a launching pad movie intended to give venom his own spin-off which has since died. Original Spidey 4 was going to have vulture and blackcat, but sony interfered again...

Venom was the best thing about Spider-Man 3, which is funny considering Raimi HATES the character. Venom was closer in origin and look than any of the previous SM villains. The "humanizing" of Sandman was a JOKE. Also, the Venom movie has NOT died... it's very much alive. I've heard "rumors" about it, but without revealing people who'd rather keep their job, people would just mock me and say, "whatever"... but Sony is VERY interested in pushing the Venom flick forward, especially after the $$$$ made by Fox coz of the Wolverine spin-off. I've heard it'll go bigtime after the Spidey reboot, and be heavily influenced by "Lethal Protector" and "Separation Anxiety"... but the relationship between Brock and the alien will be similar to Toxin.

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This one so far, while I'm not thrilled by the lack of blackcat, has much room it can still do. People tend to forget that blue screen sets in soundstages can do a lot more than just CG. It's just as easy to do the dangerous stunts in that with foam blocks and matts of that color then just superimpose actual buildings and locations in. Hollywood has been doing that for a long time. So really, this needs to wait and see a trailer for. As it is, it seems to be more comic accurate with Gwen Stacey, mechanical webshooters, and more. Granted, I'm not thrilled at a reboot this early on when there were still stories to tell in the other, but at least with a new director and cast, the budget is managable. Marc Webb is far cheaper than Raimi, so more money is going towards aspects of the film as opposed to the director's pocket book. Ditto to a whole new cast. Now in raimi's case though, if it meant no Sony interference in his vision finally, he probably would have considered a pay cut, but since sony isn't apt to do that for him... Getting paid less, and having zero control on what you're making as spidey 3 has proven, makes a crappy movie and would suck. Sadly, it banked so well at the box office though, that sony doesn't see that. So don't punish the new guy, for sony's mistake. Spidey 3 is what should have been boycotted, but even then, sony would have blamed raimi and not their interference, because they tried to please fans, so surely that couldn't have been the issue...

So for spidey, wait for the trailer. With things like the Lizard, Peter making the webshooters, and more in it, we may see some interesting more comic like scenes and situational humor, like him running out of web fluid high up. Though then again with this being a rebooted origin, we may get stuff like he's still afraid of heights, and testing the web shooters, which I hope is a path they don't take. It'd be easier just to do the blue screen stage foam blocks like I said before. Only the trailer will show for sure.

I mean it's not like you saw them filming spider-man 2's train scene among others out in the open. Or many of the other scenes from 1 and 3.

Costume looks dumb. Webshooters make no sense. A highschool kid can make a compound the 3M company cannot? uh-huh.... suuuuuuuuuure. I'd feel better if the Spectacular Spider-Man writers were involved in the project. They've done the best Spider-Man project in decades.

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

As for XFC, as I said, new director

Not quite... see above...

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new writers, working closely with singer. This movie has a lot going for it. Complaining about XMO or X3 compared to this is moot. Vaughn is the same guy who brought us the marvelous choreography in Kick-ass. Can't wait to see what he's got in store with people that actually have powers. Could it be bad? Yes, but so could any movie. I'm just glad they are making it a cohesive world. Much akin to an alternate universe mini-series that's reachable by all even those who don't read comics or know of the 50 year history of X-Men. Besides, it's not like Ultimate X-Men had scott and them as the first class either, and that comic sold well enough. Without the expensive set pieces, more money can go to the effects for the powers. So it should prove interesting. I tend to prefer a cohesive world movie serial anyway. This way I don't feel like having the others is useless. It'd be like having all 3 LOTR movies not being related to each other. It's just nicer to have a full world of events in these movies as opposed to having each new one some reboot that just doesn't care about the previous. It'd be like reading a comic book that ignored the issue before it. If that's the case, why should you have even bothered with the one before it? That's wasted money.

Besides, the Fox-Men universe can be salvaged with good stories. Even Deadpool's movie is going to be in universe to it. As for Deadpool in XMO wolverine, well if they had done him any other way, Deadpool would have stolen the show. The movie was called XMO: WOLVERINE. Not XMO: Deadpool.

Ryan Reynolds and Schuler-Donner both have said that the Deadpool movie will be independent of the XMO:Wolverine of Deadpool, and much closer to the comics.

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The new one from Arnofski looks like it'll shape up well too. Much more comic accuracy by director choice, and not forced on him by studio's or fans. I rather have the director's do their vision instead of getting interfered with. Interference is what creates stuff like Spider-man 3, and X-men 3.

As a last note though, why should any studio bow to the whims of fans who never intended to pay to see the movies anyway? That makes about as much sense as marvel taking comic advice from people who pirate their comics.

Spider-Man 3 made more money than the previous films, same with X3, so studio interference is moot, since obviously they know what they are doing, coz it makes mooolah. Fans demanded Venom (3 to 1 in most magazine and online polls) and they got a fairly faithful version of Venom in movie wasted by a crappy Black Suit story involving a retarded Sandman.

X3 got rushed, and was trying to be everything to too many, and failed. In it's defense, it's the closest to the modern X comics of the three films: Too many characters, zero development, and all flash.