[JCarterVA]

No interest and not worth the money. This is a another cookie monster.

[TheBlueMarvel]

I might get pilloried for saying this, but the Rancor itself looks pretty fantastic. Reading some of the comments here and thinking back to the cinema presentation highlights a bit of a disconnect IMO. Maybe there's some fatigue setting in for high-ticket toys, which is completely understandable. However, on it own merits, this fig is exactly the approximation I would want were I an invested collector of the line. Go figure.

[Comedian]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

I might get pilloried for saying this, but the Rancor itself looks pretty fantastic. Reading some of the comments here and thinking back to the cinema presentation highlights a bit of a disconnect IMO. Maybe there's some fatigue setting in for high-ticket toys, which is completely understandable. However, on it own merits, this fig is exactly the approximation I would want were I an invested collector of the line. Go figure.

Not at all. Some people think it looks good. I don’t like the head gap. The fact the ears don’t move with the face annoys me. I don’t like that rubber type skin, it doesn’t show details well and it’s long term survival is questionable at best. I’m not much of a fan of its colors either...I know it will change as it would get to production, but the grey model looked better to my eyes.

The fact I just looked and it’s down to 4888 from a high of around 5140 or so is shocking, this has lost almost 300 backers. The Star Wars team better come up with something quick here. Because this looks like it’s going to fail. I am beyond saddened for black series collectors right now.

I saw this floating around. The rancor would still need work in my eyes, but those should have been the goals. This would have would well over 30,000.
57C0F464-148F-4639-98E3-418990EB5557 by Comedian Horseman, on Flickr

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Comedian

Not at all. Some people think it looks good. I don?t like the head gap. The fact the ears don?t move with the face annoys me. I don?t like that rubber type skin, it doesn?t show details well and it?s long term survival is questionable at best. I?m not much of a fan of its colors either...I know it will change as it would get to production, but the grey model looked better to my eyes.

The fact I just looked and it?s down to 4888 from a high of around 5140 or so is shocking, this has lost almost 300 backers. The Star Wars team better come up with something quick here. Because this looks like it?s going to fail. I am beyond saddened for black series collectors right now.

The Rancor has ears and I care about them...because??? Jokes aside, we're all entitled to our takes and preferences on things. I'm an articulation over aesthetic collector; my eye isn't drawn to gaps as much as it is to unnatural (whatever natural is for the Rancor) postures and positioning of a figure, or form. I like posing options and this fig amply delivers in that aspect. The coloring also looks accurate (enough) to the source material given how dark that scene was, with the only key-light being an opening in the cave/pit above. Bottom line for me, as someone who was ecstatic as a child about owning a Rancor toy in 1983, this shit is pretty dope and better by a very large margin than that favorite toy of mine from yesteryear.

As with Galactus, I get the sense that some collectors are finding persnickety gripes to rule out an expense that is outside of their comfort zone. Which is fine, living beyond one's means isn't a smart course of action in any circumstance. But, for what it is, Hasbro did an excellent job here with the Rancor, barring a couple of tier stumbles.

[Comedian]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

The Rancor has ears and I care about them...because??? Jokes aside, we're all entitled to our takes and preferences on things. I'm an articulation over aesthetic collector; my eye isn't drawn to gaps as much as it is to unnatural (whatever natural is for the Rancor) postures and positioning of a figure, or form. I like posing options and this fig amply delivers in that aspect. The coloring also looks accurate (enough) to the source material given how dark that scene was, with the only key-light being an opening in the cave/pit above. Bottom line for me, as someone who was ecstatic as a child about owning a Rancor toy in 1983, this shit is pretty dope and better by a very large margin than that favorite toy of mine from yesteryear.

As with Galactus, I get the sense that some collectors are finding persnickety gripes to rule out an expense that is outside of their comfort zone. Which is fine, living beyond one's means isn't a smart course of action in any circumstance. But, for what it is, Hasbro did an excellent job here with the Rancor, barring a couple of tier stumbles.

As someone that loved mcfarlane toys, I usually go for the sculpt over articulation. I know that is not popular. But it is my preference. I also compare him to the 3.75 scale Rancors I have and I just do not feel the value. Normally gaps don?t bug me, but on a huge toy like this, it makes him look like he has on a hood.

This will always be the problem with black series VS vintage collection. World building in 6 inch scale is tough for many and impossible for most. The price doesn’t scare me. The foot print he takes does. I can have an entire Jabba’s palace scene with dungeon in 3.75 scale to this one behemoth. That maybe awesome to some but space is more an issue now than ever before. These giant toys are getting really giant.

That all said, I hope it funds. It will be terrible for the brand and haslab going forward if it doesn’t.

[Benn Roe]

I still really like the rancor. I was willing to back it without stretch goals, and I’m still willing to back it with a bunch of shitty stretch goals I don’t care about. Obviously, I would have been much more excited about the tiers people are demanding, but the rancor itself is what I’m here for. I still hope it funds, even if it barely makes it. That said, I’m not as happy with the paint as I thought I would be. It looks darker than I remember, but that could entirely be perception. And on top of that, I 100% agree that Hasbro phoned this lazy-ass campaign in, and won’t be surprised if it fails. I don’t know why they just seemed so disinterested in seeing this succeed. Burn out?

[TheBlueMarvel]

@Comedian

I hear you on space limitations and on your other points as well. My collection has grown to the point that I pay for the storage of most of it and still have a sizable amount in my home.

Ol'Skool McFarlane and NECA heads are similar about sculpt continuity. I get it. And, yes, the first Haslab that doesn't fund...no bueno...might sink the project-line.

[Tony_Bacala]

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Not at all. Some people think it looks good. I don’t like the head gap. The fact the ears don’t move with the face annoys me. I don’t like that rubber type skin, it doesn’t show details well and it’s long term survival is questionable at best. I’m not much of a fan of its colors either...I know it will change as it would get to production, but the grey model looked better to my eyes.

The fact I just looked and it’s down to 4888 from a high of around 5140 or so is shocking, this has lost almost 300 backers. The Star Wars team better come up with something quick here. Because this looks like it’s going to fail. I am beyond saddened for black series collectors right now.

I saw this floating around. The rancor would still need work in my eyes, but those should have been the goals. This would have would well over 30,000.
57C0F464-148F-4639-98E3-418990EB5557 by Comedian Horseman, on Flickr

I think that should have been it, but Luke with Bone instead of Leia. That way all the figures are directly related to the Rancor scene in the pit.

If they did that, Luke with Bone should be normal carded. Or POTF carded, with a loose one. Or POTF carded, with guarantee main line is out before this ships.

Cardboard and bones should be default included. Or, just give us the PDF of the backdrop, and those that really want it can find a local printer and pay 50 bucks to get one made locally.

I say extend it till Jan 1, wipe the stretches, and add all these in at ONE stretch tier, like 11,000 or something. Better than a non-fund failure IMO.

[metalalchemist]

I must disagree with a few guys here.
Not feeling sorry for the black series community at all. If this makes its 1st goal, will be proof to hasbro that they can absurdly overcharge whatever they sell... Even worse that they as a multi-billion company can be supported on a kickstarter basis (maybe not that steep, but you get the idea)
If you compare this to the razor claw, it needed less backers and for the same price. Even more, it was a vehicle, which according to the beloved/hated Bryan Flynn, is much more expensive to build than a figure.
They were just greedy. There is nothing in this figure that justifies the markup.
I remember seeing that this thing was supposed to have tens of paint apps, but this is not by far a paint job for a $350 figure (jeez, I could paint this in about 30-40 minutes with an airbrush... It is just sloppy and simple.

[Nexodusrex]

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Originally Posted by Comedian

Not at all. Some people think it looks good. I don?t like the head gap. The fact the ears don?t move with the face annoys me. I don?t like that rubber type skin, it doesn?t show details well and it?s long term survival is questionable at best. I?m not much of a fan of its colors either...I know it will change as it would get to production, but the grey model looked better to my eyes.

The fact I just looked and it?s down to 4888 from a high of around 5140 or so is shocking, this has lost almost 300 backers. The Star Wars team better come up with something quick here. Because this looks like it?s going to fail. I am beyond saddened for black series collectors right now.

I saw this floating around. The rancor would still need work in my eyes, but those should have been the goals. This would have would well over 30,000.
57C0F464-148F-4639-98E3-418990EB5557 by Comedian Horseman, on Flickr

dunno about Leia or the Skiff Guard. I would have used Oola, the Rancor Keeper, Luke and the Gammorean guard. Everybody who in the film was in the pit.

[Augustus10]

The reason to throw in Slave Leia is that Disney wouldnt allow her in a mass market release bcs they listen to wack job non-customers on Twitter over the actual paying customers. I have poured thousands into the Black Series line - mb you should listen to what I want vs a Twitter account with an anime avi.....

[Solrac333]

I want to like this. At first it was a no brainer, but that price and those tiers make it not worth it. This should not be a Kickstarter type thing.

[Tony_Bacala]

I was thinking the guy on right was the one consoling the Rancor Handler at the end.

Gammorean Guard could work too, but he's been out. Better to fill these slots with ones that would otherwise not get made, or made easily. Plus Luke, because Luke.

All this coming from my armchair quarterback position without a dime in the game.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Nexodusrex

dunno about Leia or the Skiff Guard. I would have used Oola, the Rancor Keeper, Luke and the Gammorean guard. Everybody who in the film was in the pit.

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I was thinking the guy on right was the one consoling the Rancor Handler at the end.

Yeah that's not a skiff guard, that's Giran. He's Malakili's helper/buddy and he consoles him over the rancor's death.

[Designincase]

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I must disagree with a few guys here.
Not feeling sorry for the black series community at all. If this makes its 1st goal, will be proof to hasbro that they can absurdly overcharge whatever they sell... Even worse that they as a multi-billion company can be supported on a kickstarter basis (maybe not that steep, but you get the idea)

In order to make any figure, they need money. In most cases the retailers pony up cash which get's production funded. The retailers order product in much larger quantities as well which helps to keep costs down.


Hasbro isn't selling these figures at a loss.

The "Kickstarter" Haslab is a glorified preorder where the production is low(so costs are high) and it's all made to order.

Consumers have always been funding production, just not so directly. We pay the stores that pay Hasbro.

Again until we see a full breakdown of the costs, saying "Greed" just because you don't like the price is ignorant. It's a business, they are out to make a profit and they aren't just going to break even.

That does not mean though you have to like what Hasbro is offering. That's really the heart of the matter is Hasbro for some people isn't delivering a product worth the price of admission.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Designincase

In order to make any figure, they need money. In most cases the retailers pony up cash which get's production funded. The retailers order product in much larger quantities as well which helps to keep costs down.


Hasbro isn't selling these figures at a loss.

The "Kickstarter" Haslab is a glorified preorder where the production is low(so costs are high) and it's all made to order.

Consumers have always been funding production, just not so directly. We pay the stores that pay Hasbro.

Again until we see a full breakdown of the costs, saying "Greed" just because you don't like the price is ignorant. It's a business, they are out to make a profit and they aren't just going to break even.

That does not mean though you have to like what Hasbro is offering. That's really the heart of the matter is Hasbro for some people isn't delivering a product worth the price of admission.

I've likely commented more than I should about a fig I've no intentions to buy, but I don't agree that the act of pointing out corporate avarice represents 'ignorance' in every utterance/scenario.

Companies, writ large, generally function from a amoral standpoint. Meaning they're not much bothered by the 'right' or 'wrong' of the transactional process; the bottom line is ALWAYS profit. Hasbro is going to push the price point envelope to whatever threshold the market will bear. If that turned out to be $1000, they'd do it in a heartbeat and laugh all the way to the bank and back again.

Based on some of the viewpoints of detractors for this Haslab and ones that I've wholeheartedly supported (Sentinel and Galactus), I can totally appreciate criticisms that they're not worth the money for particular individuals - how we spend our disposable income, if we are fortunate enough to have such, is a personal choice that I won't begrudge anyone.

The difference I take is when people nitpick the design of what is essentially toy-based brilliance and engineering marvel, when the real gripe is that it costs too much. Speak plainly; don't deflect via rationalization/intellectualization. Guide the market and tell Hasbro (or whomever) I'll pay 'this' for 'that' and not a penny more. Pass on the project and be done with it, or support because it meets your needs and expectations.

There are definitely things to complain about here. I, personally speaking, would just call those things for what they are instead of tear at what, IMO, is a solid effort from the perspective of composition.

[EvilMonkeyPope]

If they just offered the Rancor as a Pulse exclusive with no unlock tiers at a maximum $200 price point, it would've gone over much better.

[Raine24]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

The difference I take is when people nitpick the design of what is essentially toy-based brilliance and engineering marvel, when the real gripe is that it costs too much. Speak plainly; don't deflect via rationalization/intellectualization.
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There are definitely things to complain about here. I, personally speaking, would just call those things for what they are instead of tear at what, IMO, is a solid effort from the perspective of composition.

However many sour grapes may be in the mix, it's not dissonance downplay to point out perceived shortcomings, and it's kind of gross to write off criticism and critique as being inappropriate. How can the likeness of a $20 figure be up for "legitimate" concern, but concerns with the likeness of a $350 one is expressly the domain of naysayers and people rationalizing for the sake of their wallets?

Isn't it generally understood to people at large that a higher price point commands higher standards?

And this is not meeting those. It's competent, it clearly gets the job done, but by no means is it a clever or ingenious application of engineering talent. This is pretty effectively your standard articulation options, albeit applied to a form bigger and less human than usual. The only thing that doesn't appear to be rote is the head, but that only means someone went out of their way to articulate head in a way that... looked less accurate? More ugly?

[Designincase]

In the end there is no rule/law that governs how much you charge for a collectible. This isn't a life saving drug.

But I do think at the core is "Is the price set meeting the standards I expect for that price". Production and shipping is all on the manufacturer. In the end are you willing to part with your money for this product?

There are plenty of products that never went to market because the company didn't feel confident buyers would purchase the item at the MSRP they wanted to set.

As long as we understand why we are willing to buy or not buy, I think the conversation can be productive.

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You look at Mythic Legions and you see them pushing their big figures further then Hasbro seems to be pushing this thing at $200. You see SOC pushing things further for their similar price point.

I'd say Hasbro's tiers need to be rethought in general. At the very least rearranged.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Raine24

However many sour grapes may be in the mix, it's not dissonance downplay to point out perceived shortcomings, and it's kind of gross to write off criticism and critique as being inappropriate. How can the likeness of a $20 figure be up for "legitimate" concern, but concerns with the likeness of a $350 one is expressly the domain of naysayers and people rationalizing for the sake of their wallets?

Isn't it generally understood to people at large that a higher price point commands higher standards?

And this is not meeting those. It's competent, it clearly gets the job done, but by no means is it a clever or ingenious application of engineering talent. This is pretty effectively your standard articulation options, albeit applied to a form bigger and less human than usual. The only thing that doesn't appear to be rote is the head, but that only means someone went out of their way to articulate head in a way that... looked less accurate? More ugly?

Well, we disagree and if it's gross to engage in conversation that avoids red herrings in an effort to get at the substance of a matter, then I guess I'm disgusting in that regard.

All licensed toys are approximations and for many collectors whether to buy (or not) hinges on a combination of how well the source material is represented and the cost in comparison to perceived value. Although I'm not a regular Black Series patron, this Rancor hits the notes I would want. Outside of altered paint apps, I don't see where or how Hasbro could have made the fig look any more like the cinematic version.

As far as articulation and engineering are concerned, it's a big deal that this figure has between 10+ to 22+ more points of articulation than its smaller line-mate counterparts. If you're of the inclination to leave it in a static pose, just get a statue. For collectors that photo their figs, the ability to breathe life into the toy with a mandible adjustment here and turn of its ugly maw there, will be greatly appreciated; not to mention the numerous other options available for posing - rare for a figure of its size and (assumed) heft.

It's one thing to say this toy doesn't meet your translation standards. It's another to say that it's too pricey. Both are understandable perspectives, but to portray this as a poorly designed pedestrian effort is disingenuous. Insomuch as standards being commensurate with price point and what role that plays, I'd never pay $1300.00 for an iPhone Pro, but I know plenty of people that would and do pay that much. Everything is pretty much subjective.

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You look at Mythic Legions and you see them pushing their big figures further then Hasbro seems to be pushing this thing at $200. You see SOC pushing things further for their similar price point.

I'd say Hasbro's tiers need to be rethought in general. At the very least rearranged.

With the exception of the newest two (Rock Troll [with Forest head] and Forest Troll [with Ice head]), I have all of the Mythic Legions Trolls, including the Cyclops. While the sculpt and paint apps are indeed breathtaking, the articulation for this Rancor is far superior. It makes complete sense that the Rancor would cost more money as its production, articulation-wise, would be naturally more labor intensive.

$150-$200 more worth of production cost offset? Now that's a question worthy of debate.

[Raine24]

I really, really, really don't want to do a wall of text here, but... ugh. We've talked before and been totally cool, so maybe we're just talking past each other right now?

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Well, we disagree and if it's gross to engage in conversation that avoids red herrings in an effort to get at the substance of a matter, then I guess I'm disgusting in that regard.

This is what I mean, dude; there aren't any "red herrings" here, and the figure's sculpture is totally part of the substance of the figure. We're talking about the Rancor, in all its detail. The geometry of an object is not insubstantial.

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

Although I'm not a regular Black Series patron, this Rancor hits the notes I would want. Outside of altered paint apps, I don't see where or how Hasbro could have made the fig look any more like the cinematic version.

It's genuinely cool that this would hit the sweet spot for you, but that doesn't mean that it not hitting the right notes for someone else means they're being disingenuous or incapable of recognizing material/production limitations, it can mean they're seeing something you don't, or simply being less generous in forgiving the alterations.

For example, I think the head is mounted backwards. If it were inverted, so the folds on the back of the head went over the neck, then it would appear to be a continuous piece from most angles, and preserve the relations of the face to the ears. With the whole "head peeking through foreskin" thing going on, every angle puts the part separation on display and reduces the accuracy & aesthetics.

There's a wall at the back of the mouth despite it being a separate jaw that would've eliminated undercut concerns there and allowed a throat to be present. The shoulders are too far apart. The shoulder pads should be part of the upper arm instead of the shoulder joint and could've been cast in a aggressive curve so that they'd naturally lay flush to the torso. The top of the head is the wrong shape. The pinky talon is supposed to be curved inward. The tail is too long/ thin.

You can go from the minuscule to the gross and find something off. It gets things wrong that every previous version of the rancor got right, including the '83 Kenner release. It could be better beyond the paint. Honestly.

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As far as articulation and engineering are concerned, it's a big deal that this figure has between 10+ to 22+ more points of articulation than its smaller line-mate counterparts.

It's really cool that they packed in so much articulation, but like 2/3rds of those points are in the hands. Granted, that's where you want them to be, and it's awesome they did that, but that's not nearly as impressive as if they were in load-bearing parts of the build. Again, it's awesome they did that. But it's less "how did they do that" and more "I didn't think they'd bother", you know?

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It's one thing to say this toy doesn't meet your translation standards. It's another to say that it's too pricey. Both are understandable perspectives, but to portray this as a poorly designed pedestrian effort is disingenuous.

I didn't say poorly designed, and I don't think anyone else did either. I said it was competent and described most of the articulation as rote, which I don't think is untrue. It's not as if they built an elaborate internal armature to articulate and support a silicone exterior skin with shifting internal panels to ensure a consistent volume...

They plugged in their standard pin and disc booleans, scaled up, and moved on. And that would be okay (it usually is!) and if this were any cheaper I don't think anyone would care. But much like a pleather seat in a luxury car, something nobody would think twice about suddenly becomes a deal breaker when they start charging premiums for it.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Raine24

I really, really, really don't want to do a wall of text here, but... ugh. We've talked before and been totally cool, so maybe we're just talking past each other right now?


This is what I mean, dude; there aren't any "red herrings" here, and the figure's sculpture is totally part of the substance of the figure. We're talking about the Rancor, in all its detail. The geometry of an object is not insubstantial.


It's genuinely cool that this would hit the sweet spot for you, but that doesn't mean that it not hitting the right notes for someone else means they're being disingenuous or incapable of recognizing material/production limitations, it can mean they're seeing something you don't, or simply being less generous in forgiving the alterations.

For example, I think the head is mounted backwards. If it were inverted, so the folds on the back of the head went over the neck, then it would appear to be a continuous piece from most angles, and preserve the relations of the face to the ears. With the whole "head peeking through foreskin" thing going on, every angle puts the part separation on display and reduces the accuracy & aesthetics.

There's a wall at the back of the mouth despite it being a separate jaw that would've eliminated undercut concerns there and allowed a throat to be present. The shoulders are too far apart. The shoulder pads should be part of the upper arm instead of the shoulder joint and could've been cast in a aggressive curve so that they'd naturally lay flush to the torso. The top of the head is the wrong shape. The pinky talon is supposed to be curved inward. The tail is too long/ thin.

You can go from the minuscule to the gross and find something off. It gets things wrong that every previous version of the rancor got right, including the '83 Kenner release. It could be better beyond the paint. Honestly.



It's really cool that they packed in so much articulation, but like 2/3rds of those points are in the hands. Granted, that's where you want them to be, and it's awesome they did that, but that's not nearly as impressive as if they were in load-bearing parts of the build. Again, it's awesome they did that. But it's less "how did they do that" and more "I didn't think they'd bother", you know?


I didn't say poorly designed, and I don't think anyone else did either. I said it was competent and described most of the articulation as rote, which I don't think is untrue. It's not as if they built an elaborate internal armature to articulate and support a silicone exterior skin with shifting internal panels to ensure a consistent volume...

They plugged in their standard pin and disc booleans, scaled up, and moved on. And that would be okay (it usually is!) and if this were any cheaper I don't think anyone would care. But much like a pleather seat in a luxury car, something nobody would think twice about suddenly becomes a deal breaker when they start charging premiums for it.

I wouldn't worry about a wall of text, these pages are unending and, after all, this type of conversation is the reason they exist. There's no text limit and Arkers can always make a choice not to read. I actually think it's exactly this sort of dialogue that is most valuable to manufactures, as it goes far beyond the 'this shit sux'; a largely empty statement devoid of actionable information.

I also wouldn't characterize this conversation as contentious given others I've been in here and disagreement rarely rises to - "we're not cool, now" - we're just hashing out our thoughts.

Your reasoning is perfectly sound, thanks for taking the time to express your ideas. I'd only add that I believe it'd require you to either make that or be involved on the planning side of development to see those great suggestions realized in a Rancor toy. Also, I'm not a toy-smith, but I sincerely believe what you're suggesting would cost even more to produce, even in a limited run like Haslab's.

Maybe we are talking past one another. My response to you previously (and now), similar to many of the dialogues featured on any of these threads, was part direct-line communication and partly an address of everything related that came before. Both generalized and specific, simultaneously. I don't attribute all of the comments made here to you, but when you describe a design choice as ugly, one that I can see working for others since it works for me, it leads me to associate that phrasing in a particular way, even if you didn't specifically express all of what I'm addressing. Conversely, I won't offer much of a defensive stance about the suggestion that I offhandedly dismissed valid criticisms despite my having said that there are things to complain about with this Haslab.

I did truly enjoy reading your thoughtful breakdown and think I'd like your Rancor as well. However, it does make me wonder how you would feel or respond if you put in all that work and thought and read thread-criticisms that suggested it was askew of a subjective mark, not worth the money, or a phoned in effort.

[Sataninjaku]

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I wouldn't worry about a wall of text, these pages are unending and, after all, this type of conversation is the reason they exist. There's no text limit and Arkers can always make a choice not to read. I actually think it's exactly this sort of dialogue that is most valuable to manufactures, as it goes far beyond the 'this shit sux'; a largely empty statement devoid of actionable information.

I also wouldn't characterize this conversation as contentious given others I've been in here and disagreement rarely rises to - "we're not cool, now" - we're just hashing out our thoughts.

Your reasoning is perfectly sound, thanks for taking the time to express your ideas. I'd only add that I believe it'd require you to either make that or be involved on the planning side of development to see those great suggestions realized in a Rancor toy. Also, I'm not a toy-smith, but I sincerely believe what you're suggesting would cost even more to produce, even in a limited run like Haslab's.

Maybe were are talking past one another. My response to you previously (and now), similar to many of the dialogues featured on any of these threads, was part direct-line communication and partly an address of everything related that came before. Both generalized and specific, simultaneously. I don't attribute all of the comments made here to you, but when you describe a design choice as ugly, one that I can see working for others since it works for me, it leads me to associate that phrasing in a particular way, even if you didn't specifically express all of what I'm addressing. Conversely, I won't offer much of a defensive stance about the suggestion that I offhandedly dismissed valid criticisms despite my having said that there are things to complain about with this Haslab.

I did truly enjoy reading your thoughtful break down and think I'd like your Rancor as well. However, it does make me wonder how you would feel or respond if you put in all that work and thought and read thread-criticisms that suggested it was askew of a subjective mark, not worth the money, or a phoned in effort.

There is in fact a character limit.

Carry on.

[TheBlueMarvel]

LOL

Is that a hint?

Well, I've yet to encounter one outside the 5000 character limits on collective private messages...

[Sataninjaku]

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LOL

Is that a hint?

Well, I've yet to encounter one outside the 5000 character limits on collective private messages...

Not at all, I've always maintained that if one doesn't want to do much reading, a predominately text-based website may not be the place to hang out. Besides, I trend towards verbosity myself when I've got something to say.

I just happened to see that and thought of the time I decided to shit-post an entire book over on Hisstank after someone complained about a wall of text (Richard Preston's The Hot Zone.). I can't recall the exact limit, but I had to cut most of the book from my post to meet it.

Granted, that limit here is an assumption on my part based on the fact that the sites are nearly identical- I've yet to try similar shenanigans here because the mods are more... present.