[TheSymbiote]

What if Comic book based Movies Were extremely Acurate?What If The X-Men Wore their tights?

What if the hulk wore purple pants?
What if The Green Goblin had his purple Shirt and underwear?
What if the Juggernaut Was 9Ft Tall And 4ft wide like he is in the comics?
What if every movie was based directly off of a comic storyline like Secret Invasion Or Secret Wars
If Every Comic Based Movie was That Acurate would it be weird? Or Normal???

Well......Would It?????

[prowl26]

It would probably not work as well. I like that the way they are done now gives a bit of a grounding in reality, makes it more fun to me. Plus, comic fans already nitpick comic movies and such to death could you imagine how much worse it would be if the creators got 9/10's the way there but still did not make it? Plus "creating their own universe" allows them to take the kind of liberty that alternate universes get to.

[decepticon_mark]

I have no problem with them taking "creative liberties" but let's face it there are some they take that are too much. Sometimes it seems they really want to cause the diehard fans to rise up. The Iron Man movies took liberties but not to the point of alienating the diehards, the same for the last Hulk movie. For that matter all of the Avenger line movies seem to take only minor liberties but the other end of the spectrum have been the Xmen movies or Daredevil/Elektra movies. Don't even get me started on that Ang Lee Hulk movie. So to take liberties is fine to a point but to quote a famous line in a song, " you don't tread on Superman's cape".

[Snowflakian]

It wouldn't work.

Not all comics can make the transition like that. Some can, some can't. And some only need minor tweaks.

Like let's look at some examples.
Hulk - the norton film did well enough with homages, including 80s hulk, and the purple pants.

Spider-Man - How does a teen make something that even adult geniuses can't? (Webfluid and shooters)

X-Men - Spandex suits just look weird in the modern day.

The list can go on and on for won't work.

What can work though?

Stories with minimal costumes, commentaries on society woven within them and more.
Sin City, Watchmen (with only 1 real change so it does count for accurate), Green Hornet, X-23's minis (the team series not so much for costume reasons, but with x-force that can be written as to hide their identities anyway). Among many more. It's a give and take process, that you really have to look at what makes the original great, and if that can be conveyed on screen as is, or needs help to convey it.

*Edit* There are exceptions to this. Deadpool for example, needs his costume, and 4th wall breaking, just as Kick-ass should have been accurate too, instead of reworking it for mainstream audiences. Deadpool specificly is unique, because his setup in Fox, and in comics can still be unified for success. That's always been my main gripe, changing what makes the title great to begin with. Some things don't need much altering, so why does hollywood think it needs to go overboard? Stuff like Thor and Cap so far though, the changes work in their favor. Same to the changes in Iron Man. Things like spidey and X-men need the overhauls moderately so, so long as they don't change the essence. So it's a balance. In some instances, they haven't really strayed far at all inspite of fan whining to the contrary, and can be unified for best results of both, all it takes is a good script writer to do it, not one that excludes anything they feel is stupid without reason. One who balances the pros and cons to the choices, and how to intermingle in the best of both worlds to maintain movie-canon and still make fans happy. In Deadpool's case, they can still use the Fox origin, while adding the aspects from marvel that made him great, in rather deadpool literary style even. While they may have boffed up XMOW with him, I seriously think that was to avoid letting him steal the show from the title character. An origins like flick of his still has room to use what XMOW did, and even fix it, as well as make it longer. His origin itself doesn't vary that much from what they did on screen, his movie just needs to comedicly have his body reject aspects. So Cykes power doesn't work, teleporting comes and goes, and his sword arms dislodge for him to make new admantium swords, cause really, where would he get admantium blades from anyway?

I mentioned X-23 specificly for the reason that her first two self titled minis really have no costumes cept for Cap, Daredevil, and Kimura. This rare instance, the comics can be used panel by panel for story boards, as the story itself is already well woven for a film, including a 'purpose' to the story, among other script techniques. Which really shouldn't be a surprise since it was written by two of tv's best animation writers.

[appa]

Looks ok with me...



oh... wait... you mean... in a movie?

[TheSymbiote]

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Originally Posted by appa

Looks ok with me...



oh... wait... you mean... in a movie?

well what about the costumes from watchmen,they didnt look bad.

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by TheSymbiote

well what about the costumes from watchmen,they didnt look bad.

Watchmen is a different scenario.

The story itself calls for costumes varying in styles over the ages. The modern costumes had a more modern spin on the entire idea.

It's basicly a world like kickass, only capes have been ingrained into the culture to the point of even having a bill in congress outlawing them. Not doing the costumes wouldn't have worked. This is one of those instances where it works on screen becaue of what the mini series itself is. A deconstruction of a costumed vigilante. As well as the costuming techniques to convey the eras in time of this new world where capes exist. Something like X-Men the first class can skate on costumes too, as it's the first class. This could be the class that made professor X realize spandex, or 'colorful costumes' don't exactly work. Sadly there are other issues here though with keeping movie-canon and using comic-canon. Scott, Jean, Warren, and Bobby specificly. Movie-canon denies their usage, and comic-canon requires it. So to remain comic accurate, ruins the movies that got them where they are to begin with.


There is a place where you can blend this though.

I mention this in one of my blogs even. TV can skate on many aspects that movies cannot. So while they can do more on tv with a spin-off series, they can then use the movies themselves for bigger events, marginally in canon but with the real world twist as they have been doing. Then we could get storylines like civil war, secret invasion, messiah war, and more, while still getting the verbatum comic accuracy on tv to build it up and be the proverbial hype machine.

Overall though, you have to balance the aspects, there are things that work on screen and things that don't. Just as there are creative teams willing to try, and those that'll just scoff at the aspect of including anything from comics. You have to find a happy balance for the best of both worlds, while not being sacrilegious to the source material. When the source material can go fully on screen though? USE IT! Don't pussy-foot around it just because you find 'comics' lame, and don't ruin what makes the comic great if it'd work, by making it the typical audience BS for acceptance. Making characters likable, giving them things so they have a happy ending, and more. When a comic isn't written like that, why do it onscreen? Especially when the entire point of a comic is those hardships? Like kick ass was. You can tell right off the bat with it, the changes were for pleasing the general audience, and those very changes are mildly dentrimental to the original intent of the comic itself in the type of story it tells.

It's like making romeo and juliet, but letting them have their happily ever after, if you do that, then it's not romeo and juliet.

[80s Guy]

I think the costume Brandon Routh wore in Superman Returns was a good update and still had the tights and cape. It worked you can't change characters like Superman too much. If they ever do the Wonder Woman movie you couldn't change her much either.

[LUCKYDUBE]

There was a comic acurate movie that came out in the early 90's it was called the fantastic 4 but it didn't even make it to the theaters, VHS or DVD.

[TheSymbiote]

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Originally Posted by 80s Guy

I think the costume Brandon Routh wore in Superman Returns was a good update and still had the tights and cape. It worked you can't change characters like Superman too much. If they ever do the Wonder Woman movie you couldn't change her much either.

the wonder woman costume they used in smallville was pretty cool

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by LUCKYDUBE

There was a comic acurate movie that came out in the early 90's it was called the fantastic 4 but it didn't even make it to the theaters, VHS or DVD.

The Roger Corman one, wasn't comic accurate. And there's a reason it never made it to DVD or VHS. It was just that bad.

Even the Justice League CBS pilot wasn't comic accurate, and I'd call it almost worse than the corman fan 4.

[80s Guy]

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Originally Posted by TheSymbiote

the wonder woman costume they used in smallville was pretty cool

Yeah that is pretty awesome.

[TheSymbiote]

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Originally Posted by 80s Guy

Yeah that is pretty awesome.

yeah i really wouldn't care if they reused this costume maybe made it brighter too.

[trebleshot]

I agree with Snow, there needs to be a balance when adapting a comic to movie. That's why we all use words/phrases like "adapting" "turn into" or "version of". It's never a direct port from one format to another. Some things work really well in one format and suck in another.

For example, in novels and comics you have a narrator and inner monologues to help move the plot. In movies, you can't always do that. There are exceptions, but it's mostly because the story's structure calls for it - sometimes for comedic effect like Stranger Than Fiction.

On the flipside, movies can give you more visual details (in 3D, no less) in 5 seconds than one could gather from in a couple pages of a book or comic. But the trick is the visual has to be believeable in order to work.

It's the suspension of disbelief, really. It's much easier for us to ignore things while reading than it is when watching a movie and seeing the visual representation. The former allows your imagination to control the mental images, while the latter gives you no choice and therefore must make enough sense for you to go along for the ride.

Purple pants may look silly, but it can easily be explained since Bruce tends to go through clothes a lot. Superman's outfit could be a nod to his Kryptonian heritage (in fact, I think I read one story where it was made from the blankets/sheets his mother wrapped him in as a baby). In fact, a lot of Supes can be explained by him being an alien. Unfortunately, him being able to have a kid with Lois is not one of them, even if he was depowered during conception. But I digress.

As for the X-Men costumes, I think Scott summed it up pretty well in the first movie.

Oh, and I agree with everything Snow said about Deadpool. I want my merc-with-a-mouth breaking the fourth wall in full outfit. He's already insane, why worry about explaining his costume?