[nakobass]

This is a video from ShartimusPrime.
I have to say I agree with him. I'm sick of seeing crappy X-men movies. Wolverine was the last strew for me. I really don't care that the X-men movies are not totally comic book accurate, but not having Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Angel, or Iceman in First Class makes no sense to me. So this 2011 summer I'm skipping X-men first class. What do you guys think?

[Nexodusrex]

You know, if people boycotted films just because 2 in the series were mediocre side-by-side, then nobody would watch James Bond and nobody would have gone and seen Revenge of the Sith. The Film isnt a direct interpretation of the comics, It happens. Batman Begins and the Dark Knight werent Direct Interpretations of the comics. Spider-man wasnt. Spidey took some chances, some paid off(Doc Ock, Organic Web Shooters), Some didnt (Power Ranger Goblin, though Willem Dafoe still tore it up) I think it'll be a good flick, since it has a strong cast and a good director. Not like its Dolph Lundgren not wearing the Punisher Shirt, or Ben Affleck in Red Motorcycle Fetish.

Which is my way of saying "I'm gonna go see this". Going to see Darren Aronofskys "The Wolverine" also

[trebleshot]

There are certain things about First Class that don't sit well with me (I really hope they don't make Havok the elder brother of Cyke), but I'll still give it a fair shake. Like Nexodusrex said, sometimes it pays off and sometimes it doesn't.

(Another example would have been the odd-numbered Trek movies).

Personally, I think it's usually worth the effort. But I'll try to make it a matinee, just in case.

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Originally Posted by nakobass

I really don't care that the X-men movies are not totally comic book accurate, but not having Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Angel, or Iceman in First Class makes no sense to me.

What, no love for Hank McCoy?

And why doesn't it make sense that they're not in it? This is not a reboot. XM:FC is a prequel, and given the established continuity of the four existing X-Men films, they couldn't be in it without screwing it up even more than XMO:W already did.

Hell, the first X-Men movie made it impossible for the original comic lineup to also be the same in the movies. Bobby Drake was a recent recruit, same as Rogue. Both events are nowhere near comic-accurate.

[nakobass]

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

There are certain things about First Class that don't sit well with me (I really hope they don't make Havok the elder brother of Cyke), but I'll still give it a fair shake. Like Nexodusrex said, sometimes it pays off and sometimes it doesn't.

(Another example would have been the odd-numbered Trek movies).

Personally, I think it's usually worth the effort. But I'll try to make it a matinee, just in case.



What, no love for Hank McCoy?

And why doesn't it make sense that they're not in it? This is not a reboot. XM:FC is a prequel, and given the established continuity of the four existing X-Men films, they couldn't be in it without screwing it up even more than XMO:W already did.

Hell, the first X-Men movie made it impossible for the original comic lineup to also be the same in the movies. Bobby Drake was a recent recruit, same as Rogue. Both events are nowhere near comic-accurate.

I think that's the main point of the Boycott. To try and get the license back into Marvel's hands and out of Fox's. So we can get a better more accurate X-men movie. We are never going to see Omega Red, Apocalypse, or real Sentinals until rights go back to Marvel for a proper reboot of the X-men movies. That and they totally butched 2 of my favorite Characters Deadpool and Gambit.

After X-men 3 and Wolerine, I just don't have any faith left FOX will make even a decent X-men movie.

[LUCKYDUBE]

I'll watch it and take it for what it is but I want a reboot thats at least 50% comic accurate.

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by nakobass

After X-men 3 and Wolerine, I just don't have any faith left FOX will make even a decent X-men movie.

Brian Singer is directing this time, yes? I may not have faith in Fox, but unlike hacks like Michael Bay, and Brett Ratner, I have faith in Singer.
Singer did a fantastic job on the first two. And his work on X-Men helped to pave the way for Spiderman, Batman Begins, and Ironman.

[webz]

X-Men 1 was great. X2 had the Mansion scene and the White House scene, but otherwise was mediocre. X3 was all over the place and a mess (partly Ratner's fault, but 90% of the blame goes to the multiple production changes tossed about and rapid script re-writes). "Wolverine" was the best action-wise, worst acting-wise, and average story-wise.

No way will I boycott. I'll definitely pick it up on DVD in 9 months. X-Men: First Class can't be worse than X3, and definitely will be better than either Transformers movie (Bay is a total tool).

As far as Singer being the bomb.... ummmm.... didja see his Superman film? Other than Kevin Spacey's Luthor, that movie was CRAP. It exists merely to highlight the size of Brandon Routh's package. Routh is a enjoyable actor in all the other films I've seen him in (including Zack and Miri, etc)... He just was cast by a horny gay director, and given a crappy role.

[nakobass]

I actually really enjoy all the Transformers Movies. As long as I see Optimus Prime be heroic and kickass, I'm happy. I hope I'm wrong about the X-men movie, but I bet I'm not. I'll see Thor, Captain America, Transformers 3 instead. If X-men is actually good, I'll be the first one to admit I'm wrong, but I'll wait until the Bit uuuuum DVD comes out.

[MegaPrime33]

Even though I may be a fanboy, I take these movies for what they are, movies with familiar characters in them. It's meant to be entertaining, not to be exactly like it's comic book counterpart. I for one will pretty much see any movie based on marvel or even DC characters. I will judge it based on the acting, the writing, and the special effects, as I would with any action movie. A lot of people hated the first FF movie, and the Thomas Jane Punisher, but I enjoyed both. I can only tell you whether or not I'm going to like First Class until after I see it.

[nakobass]

Since none of the X-men I actually care about are in the move, Cyclops, Storm, Gambit, Colossus, Angel, Iceman, Jean Grey, or Nightcrawler, I'm going to go out on a limb and say I'm not going to like it.


Check out the video I put a link to uptop. I think Shartimus Prime gives some pretty good reasons to save your money. If you guys still want to see it after that, more power to you. I'm saving my money.

[trebleshot]

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Originally Posted by nakobass

I think that's the main point of the Boycott. To try and get the license back into Marvel's hands and out of Fox's. So we can get a better more accurate X-men movie. We are never going to see Omega Red, Apocalypse, or real Sentinals until rights go back to Marvel for a proper reboot of the X-men movies. That and they totally butched 2 of my favorite Characters Deadpool and Gambit.

After X-men 3 and Wolerine, I just don't have any faith left FOX will make even a decent X-men movie.

Even if Marvel does get the rights back, there's no way of guaranteeing that those characters will show up in a sequel, reboot or even a soft reboot. And you have to keep in mind that studios must make these movies accessible to the widest possible audience. If they only catered to fanboys, I don't think any comic-based film would be as successful.

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Originally Posted by LUCKYDUBE

I'll watch it and take it for what it is but I want a reboot thats at least 50% comic accurate.

How would you measure something like that? Even XMO:W could be technically considered 50% comic accurate, depending on how you do it.

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Originally Posted by webz

No way will I boycott. I'll definitely pick it up on DVD in 9 months. X-Men: First Class can't be worse than X3, and definitely will be better than either Transformers movie (Bay is a total tool).

Personally, I thought both TF movies were enjoyable. Of course, both had cringe-inducing moments that I would've left out, but I still had fun watching them. X1 and X2 I thought were great and X3 could have been alright if they had stuck to one plot instead of trying to cram at least four into one film.

I'd have to agree with you on Wolverine, except for the story part. I think it was utter crap, especially when there are so many things that fly in the face of the established movie continuity without any explanation given for it (or was a poor excuse for one). And don't get me started on that Baraka rip-off at the end.

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As far as Singer being the bomb.... ummmm.... didja see his Superman film? Other than Kevin Spacey's Luthor, that movie was CRAP. It exists merely to highlight the size of Brandon Routh's package. Routh is a enjoyable actor in all the other films I've seen him in (including Zack and Miri, etc)... He just was cast by a horny gay director, and given a crappy role.

Singer's sexual preferences aside, I didn't care for Superman Returns because of the way Luthor was written. Turning the Earth into a new Krypton? Why? What's his motivation? In the earlier films, he was about real estate and world domination. I just didn't get it.

Oh, yeah, and there was that whole "Lois had a kid while you were gone" bit.

[loublanco1976]

i'm down with the boycott but where is the venom for transformers? micheal bay has butchered that franchise into oblivion.

[Optimatron]

Oh I'm totally up for this. I was planning on boycotting this movie anyways. All the x-men movies are failures. Singer's fag ass is back to make a new love story I bet.

[Xcaliber037]

Bay may suck. But his art department, ILM or who ever... gave us this. And this rocks!

[ludovicotek]

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

Brian Singer is directing this time, yes?

No. Matthew Vaughn (Layer Cake, Stardust, Kick-Ass) is directing this time. There are rumors that Singer might possibly return to direct X-Men 4.

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

And why doesn't it make sense that they're not in it? This is not a reboot. XM:FC is a prequel, and given the established continuity of the four existing X-Men films, they couldn't be in it without screwing it up even more than XMO:W already did.

Hell, the first X-Men movie made it impossible for the original comic lineup to also be the same in the movies. Bobby Drake was a recent recruit, same as Rogue. Both events are nowhere near comic-accurate.

Valid points, but director Vaughn has already alluded to using some of the comics plot devices, such as alternate realities, specifically how it was used in the Star Trek reboot. Yes, this movie is technically a prequel, but I think there is room to play with some of the continuity of the films, much like is done within the comics. Who knows for sure. Emma Frost was is XMO:W and she is in XM:FC as well. That right there is an inconsistency as FC takes place prior to XMO:W. We know that Azazel has been confirmed to be in this movie, so maybe they have some ideas about playing with alternate dimensions and such.

I was incredibly let down by X3 and XMO:W. I keep trying to give them a chance but every time I try to watch them I end up disliking them even more. I still find myself having hopes that this movie won't suck ass. I'm down to watch it and at least give it a chance.

[Jmacq1]

I think First Class is looking pretty crazy. Right now that could either be "crazy awesome" or "crazy stupid."

However it's got some good actors and a good director, and some of the images that've been floating around I think look very intriguing. The idea of a "superhero period piece" is kinda cool, I think.

On the flipside, it's already a continuity nightmare even if you gloss over some of the more easily glossed-over bits (like saying that the final battle in Wolverine wasn't supposed to be the "Three Mile Island Incident" in 1973 and that the "Emma" (as she's credited) that turned to diamond and was Silver Fox's sister isn't "Emma Frost" (Or conversely ignoring the portion of the first X-Men movie that says "In the not-so-distant future" and change it to "not so long ago"). There's still Havok, who is either going to be WAY older then Cyclops (to an unrealistic degree) or perhaps even changed into his uncle, father, or cousin or something.

Then again, if the acting is good and the story is fun...I could really care less if they do some continuity-trashing. At this point I suspect the only reason this isn't a "reboot" is because Hugh Jackman still feels like he's got a Wolverine movie or two left in him.

Another thing that gives me hope for the movie: By and large the original X-Men films were "trailblazers" for the modern super-hero movie. In a lot of ways they were...subdued, shall we say...perhaps a bit too firmly grounded in a sense of reality. While this approach can still work (and quite well, see Nolan's Batman films), we seem to be seeing a shift in the superhero movie genre where they're starting to embrace some of the crazier and more "out there" elements of the superhero genre. Green Lantern is including the whole "Cosmic Corps of Law Enforcers" and Thor is giving us the realm of Asgard and the craziness that goes along with it. These are things that previous comic-book movie directors have avoided because they seemed "too silly for general audiences."

I think if First Class embraces its (for lack of a better term) "comic-bookness" it may be a helluva good time.

[nakobass]

[QUOTE=trebleshot;91176]Even if Marvel does get the rights back, there's no way of guaranteeing that those characters will show up in a sequel, reboot or even a soft reboot. And you have to keep in mind that studios must make these movies accessible to the widest possible audience. If they only catered to fanboys, I don't think any comic-based film would be as successful.QUOTE]

Fox isn't even catering to the general audience at this point. The only reason they are making this crappy movie now, is so they can keep the rights to do so. It's the same thing with the Spider-man reboot. I understand everything cann't be exactly comic book accurate, but putting out crappy movies just to keep the rights, is a bad idea. We all lose in the end.

And if they really were thinking about the general audience, they would have the characters from X1 Cyclops, Storm, Jean Grey in this one. Most people have no idea who these new Characters are.

[brianregan09]

The diffrence with this and marvels movie same goes for Ghostrider 2 in fareness they don't have that aura about them First CLass could be in the cinema now and i don't think i'd be that bothered about it, Where as Thor and Cap cannot come soon enough for me, I used love the X Men but the movies have kind of ruined them for me , I am semi excited for Wolverine 2 though as long as they don't start throwing random semi heard of mutants into that too

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by nakobass

This is a video from ShartimusPrime.
I have to say I agree with him. I'm sick of seeing crappy X-men movies. Wolverine was the last strew for me. I really don't care that the X-men movies are not totally comic book accurate, but not having Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Angel, or Iceman in First Class makes no sense to me. So this 2011 summer I'm skipping X-men first class. What do you guys think?

I'll be first in line to see it. This movie is in continuity to the other X-Men movies. So having cyclops who was recruited post vietnam(XMO), Jean who was recruited in the 80s (via X3 flashback), Iceman who's like 18 in X3, and Angel who just met the X-Men in X3, would make absolutely zero sense.

It does have beast though, and that was alluded to in X3 anyway.

People are just getting too much in a huff that it's not 616 marvel, and it was never intended to be. This is the Singer and Fox X-Men universe. Not Marvel's.



As for the Emmas.

Emma frost is in XFC, Emma SilverFox was in XMO. Two different emmas. The one in XMO was Silverfox's sister who has diamond powers, this one isn't silver fox's sister and has telepathic powers. It's really just that simple.

This is not a reboot in any sense of the word. It's just a prequel, that may get a few more to build up to where X1 starts. Let it stand on it's own merit. Think of it as an AU story like the marvel ultimate universe is.

The only real continuity goof is if chuck gets paralyzed in this. (Instead it looks like it'll just end with him going bald, which will line up the others.) Otherwise, everything else can still line up since this takes place from 1942-1962 all of which is prior to XMO anyway.

If chuck and magneto split paths in this movie, then maybe that could be a goof, but it won't matter unless they stay enemies. Instead it looks like they both run the school, but they start diverging in ideologies for the purpose. The absolute fallout shouldn't happen until around Jean joins in the 80s. Though then again, they can also write that Magneto and Xavier were back on the same side at that point with another falling out due to happen. Something that's common with friends anyway.

Vaughn is directing, Singer is producing. Both are working closely though, so Singer can pick up the reigns when he can. Word is Singer is coming back for X4, but it looks like fox wants more XFC movies first. So if singer will do those or not, has yet to be seen. Everything he's said before has been that he wants to do X4 (aftermath of X3, which yes sucked, but did Bank quite well.)

[Prem1x]

Vaughn's opinion that X-Men (and comic characters) in general have their history re-written and stuff ret-conned all the time just to suit the needs of the current writer seems right on to me. Fanboys shouldn't get in a huff just because the movie doesn't match their favorite issue of whatever. Just enjoy the story for what it is (hopefully it's good).

[behindthemask]

I liked some the casting from the first movies for the characters, Hugh Jackman makes a perfect Wolverine.. but I have yet to see him in a yellow spandex suit... flying from the arms of Colossus stabbing a sentinel to pieces.... The problem is x-men has 2 many characters, versions, and history to be captured in 2hr long movie.. it needs a proper trilogy or multiple triolgies facing certain villians issues... a cilvar war movie would be nuts.

[webz]

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

Even if Marvel does get the rights back, there's no way of guaranteeing that those characters will show up in a sequel, reboot or even a soft reboot. And you have to keep in mind that studios must make these movies accessible to the widest possible audience. If they only catered to fanboys, I don't think any comic-based film would be as successful.

No way of guaranteeing, but Marvel has a proven track record with Ironman. With Disney power behind it, it's ALMOST certain to be successful.

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

How would you measure something like that? Even XMO:W could be technically considered 50% comic accurate, depending on how you do it.

"Wolverine" was almost 80% taken from various comics. X3 also was almost 80% from various comics. A panel here, a quote there... didn't help that comics have retconned themselves so badly that keeping comics-accurate is impossible. The very fact that Wolverine has forearm claws was a retconn. In Hulk, the claws extended from his gloves. The first issues of Uncanny, that was continued. It wasn't for a few issues in that the retractable claws were penned in.

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

Personally, I thought both TF movies were enjoyable. Of course, both had cringe-inducing moments that I would've left out, but I still had fun watching them. X1 and X2 I thought were great and X3 could have been alright if they had stuck to one plot instead of trying to cram at least four into one film.

Other than Megatron tearing Jazz in half, and the fight in the forest, there was NOTHING for me with the TF movies. They insulted the intelligence almost as bad as the Bruce Willis/ Tracy Morgan buddy-cop film.

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

I'd have to agree with you on Wolverine, except for the story part. I think it was utter crap, especially when there are so many things that fly in the face of the established movie continuity without any explanation given for it (or was a poor excuse for one). And don't get me started on that Baraka rip-off at the end.

Story was weak, but not many continuity errors. Sabretooth has gone feral over the course of 40+ years... who knows what happened to him? The Deadpool blades will NOT be in the Deadpool movie according to both Reynolds and producers.

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

Singer's sexual preferences aside, I didn't care for Superman Returns because of the way Luthor was written. Turning the Earth into a new Krypton? Why? What's his motivation? In the earlier films, he was about real estate and world domination. I just didn't get it.

That's the problem with ALL movie versions of Luthor. This one was no different. "New Krypton" was just a Superman-proof real estate scam. I prefer the more recent Uber-patriot, anti-alien war monger Luthor. Far more dangerous than the Realtor from hell.

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

Oh, yeah, and there was that whole "Lois had a kid while you were gone" bit.

That was so poorly handled I just chapter-skip those scenes.

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Originally Posted by behindthemask

I liked some the casting from the first movies for the characters, Hugh Jackman makes a perfect Wolverine.. but I have yet to see him in a yellow spandex suit... flying from the arms of Colossus stabbing a sentinel to pieces.... The problem is x-men has 2 many characters, versions, and history to be captured in 2hr long movie.. it needs a proper trilogy or multiple triolgies facing certain villians issues... a cilvar war movie would be nuts.

Ummmm.... you want to see hairy men in yellow spandex? Go to the Castro district in San Francisco. Me, I'll happily stick with the military biker suits. Besides, they did the fastball special in X3. It looks silly in anything bigger than a comics panel. Sorry, but it's the truth. Here's the basic problem... with X3, XMO:W, it's the loss of the racial message. X-Men was about racism and outcasts... Xavier (MLK's peaceful intergration) vs Magneto (Malcolm X's violent take-what's-owed us). They started that in X1, expanded in X2, but dropped the racial metaphor for a "Gays can be cured" metaphor in #3, and it felt schmucky.

[nakobass]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

This is the Singer and Fox X-Men universe. Not Marvel's.

That's the main problem right there.

[Prime dude]

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Originally Posted by nakobass

That's the main problem right there.

I agree, Marvel would probably make a better movie. Me? I'm looking forward to XM:FC. If it's a good movie, then good. If not, well, it wont be.

[nakobass]

Here are some budget numbers.
X1 75 million
X2 110 million
X3 210 million( Don't know where that money went to)
Wolverine Origins 150 million
X-men First Class 120 million.
Does anyone else see a problem here? Including Inflation, That's pretty damn low for a 2011 Summer movie.