[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by nakobass

I really hope you guys enjoy the movie. The simple reason why I will not see this movie is because I just don't care about any of the characters in the movie. We have already seen Prof X and Magneto in 3 other movies. We know how it all ends up. What's the point. Making X-men 4 with all new characters would have made more sense. Forget comic book accurate, this isn't even accurate to the 4 other movies that already came out.

X1 Beast was on TV in Human form. Xarvier said Cyclops and Jean were his first students.
Prof X didn't know Magneto had a Helmit to block his powers.
X3 Prof X and Magneto recruited Jean and were still on good terms.
XW Prof X was standing when he met Cyclops

The Trailer alone contradicts everything above. If they make an X-men 4, I'll give that a chance, but not this.

X1, it's called an image inducer. But we'll see if they deal with that ever. Remember Hank does experiment on himself quite often. Originally it was just a one off cameo anyway. I do hope they manage to work in a better why though, but that won't matter until that time period comes closer. That being said, he was also pro-mutant rights in that cameo, something he couldn't do as yet if all they saw was a giant blue furball. So he possibly had a way to look normal even if he wasn't.

As for his first students... So far from the looks of this, charles himself is still a kid. So they may not be his students yet, just his peers. Besides, according to the films, Jean was recruited in the 80s, and Scott post-vietnam towards 3 mile island incident. Both of which are long after this film. Which means already the movies themselves suggest they weren't his first students. All we do know is that beast was there at the start according to the films and his remarks in X3. So no, Jean and Scott just 'think' or are 'bragging' they were his very first students. There's already too far of a discrepency between when they joined to have both been first students anyway. That's assuming they even said that in the films. So no, that points kind of moot. This movie is set in a period of time that pre-dates when they joined according to the movies, so including them would have thrown the whole continuity off with it's time frame placement. Then again we also don't know how this film ends, so there could be a very good reason why charles started fresh with a new class.

The helmet could be explained in this or subsequently as maybe he thought he found a way around the previous helmet design, or Charles doesn't know of the helmet and that's how Erik stays out of Charles reach while doing his acts that are against what charles agrees to. Still much story room left to use. Especially since he knows charles disapproves, so he'd need a method to stay under the radar when doing things charles wouldn't approve of.

They recruited Jean before the split, but we don't know for certain they actually split in this as opposed to just the birth of their seperate ideas. That depends on the movie itself, the trailer doesn't say one way or the other. The split could be building, but they could also have split and started to work together again because of a subsequent film. Friends tend to do that, fight, take time apart to pursue goals, work together again.

XMO:W Xavier walking, well so far nothing in the trailer suggests he's paralyzed pre-80s. The wheelchair footage was from X1 and X3 that was used, not this movie. All we know for certain based on what they've said, is this movie will cover why charles goes bald possibly.

I'm not saying it'll mesh 100%, but it does mesh more than you're giving it credit for. This trailer isn't enough to refute or prove one way or the other.

I do look forward to an X4, but I don't mind them doing an early days trilogy first or alternating if it gives them elements to use for a later film. All we know for X4 is that Chuck has no body, and that storm and wolverine are in charge of the school. Potentially Colossus and beast too.

Before making hasty judgements, wait until the movie is actually out, then check nitpickers or other continuity furious sites to see how much it lines up before condemning based on a trailer that really doesn't say one way or the other.

[ZeoVGM]

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Originally Posted by nakobass

I saw it, yeah, I'm going to stick with the boycott. Still don't have a clue why half the characters are even in there. Watched the trailer a few more times, and I'm even less interested in seeing it.
Hopefully after about 3 or 4 more crappy X-men movies, Fox will give the rights back to Marvel.

Maybe then will will get to see Apocalypse, Archangel, Sentinals, Mister Sinister, and maybe the Shi'ar Empire.

At least I can still enjoy Transformer 3, Thor, Captain America, and maybe Green Lantern this Summer.

Good lord, you're being dramatic.

Not wanting to see the movie is one thing, a "boycott" is another, and your attitude is simply ignorant and childish.

"Hopefully after about 3 or 4 mote crappy X-Men movies."

Here's your problem. You're not "not interested" in the movie. You're ignoring a known talented cast and a fantastic director who has already shown he is good being behind the camera of a comic adaption.

I find it interesting that you can write this off so easily yet say "I can still enjoy Transformers 3" after the complete racist robot/4th grade humor-filled Transformers 2.

Yes, there are continuity issues does suck. But if the movie is good, it should go beyond those issues.

Let's be honest: you had it out for this movie from the beginning. It could get 90% on RottenTomatoes and you'd still "boycott" it.

[nakobass]

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Originally Posted by ZeoVGM

Good lord, you're being dramatic.

Not wanting to see the movie is one thing, a "boycott" is another, and your attitude is simply ignorant and childish.

"Hopefully after about 3 or 4 mote crappy X-Men movies."

Here's your problem. You're not "not interested" in the movie. You're ignoring a known talented cast and a fantastic director who has already shown he is good being behind the camera of a comic adaption.

I find it interesting that you can write this off so easily yet say "I can still enjoy Transformers 3" after the complete racist robot/4th grade humor-filled Transformers 2.

Yes, there are continuity issues does suck. But if the movie is good, it should go beyond those issues.

Let's be honest: you had it out for this movie from the beginning. It could get 90% on RottenTomatoes and you'd still "boycott" it.

X-men and Transformers are different in my eyes. X-men is a movie that needs to be story based, Transformers 1 and 2 were funny and had great action, that's all I was expecting. Most people and non fanboys enjoyed the movie and the twins, I'm one of them. And being a Black person didn't find them racist at all. I know white and black people who talk like that. The forest scene alone was the most epic thing I have seen in years.

For X-men, If it had Cyclops or Jean Grey or Storm, I would go see it, because those are the Characters that we all saw in the first 3 and got to know in the movies, cartoons, and comics. I don't blame the actors or the director, my blame goes to FOX for just throwing X-men movies out just to keep the license. They know good and well this movie will suck, but will still make double their money back. But they won't get any from me.

Like I said, I hope you all enjoy the movie, I think it's going to suck but that's just my opinion, and a few thousand others on youtube. I'm not the only one skipping this movie. When we have so many other possibly great movies coming out.

Seriously, what is your main reason for wanting to see this movie? What appeal does X-men First Class have?

For me:
Transformers 3: Huge Transforming Robot Badass, that is Prime. Shockwave. Megatron finally getting an Earthmode.
Captain America: To see the birth of Cap and the Red Skull
Thor: To see Thor use mjolnir
Green Lantern: Because my GF wants to.
X-men FC: No Cyclops, No Jean grey, No Storm, No appeal whatsoever.

[nakobass]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

X1, it's called an image inducer. But we'll see if they deal with that ever. Remember Hank does experiment on himself quite often. Originally it was just a one off cameo anyway. I do hope they manage to work in a better why though, but that won't matter until that time period comes closer. That being said, he was also pro-mutant rights in that cameo, something he couldn't do as yet if all they saw was a giant blue furball. So he possibly had a way to look normal even if he wasn't.

As for his first students... So far from the looks of this, charles himself is still a kid. So they may not be his students yet, just his peers. Besides, according to the films, Jean was recruited in the 80s, and Scott post-vietnam towards 3 mile island incident. Both of which are long after this film. Which means already the movies themselves suggest they weren't his first students. All we do know is that beast was there at the start according to the films and his remarks in X3. So no, Jean and Scott just 'think' or are 'bragging' they were his very first students. There's already too far of a discrepency between when they joined to have both been first students anyway. That's assuming they even said that in the films. So no, that points kind of moot. This movie is set in a period of time that pre-dates when they joined according to the movies, so including them would have thrown the whole continuity off with it's time frame placement. Then again we also don't know how this film ends, so there could be a very good reason why charles started fresh with a new class.

The helmet could be explained in this or subsequently as maybe he thought he found a way around the previous helmet design, or Charles doesn't know of the helmet and that's how Erik stays out of Charles reach while doing his acts that are against what charles agrees to. Still much story room left to use. Especially since he knows charles disapproves, so he'd need a method to stay under the radar when doing things charles wouldn't approve of.

They recruited Jean before the split, but we don't know for certain they actually split in this as opposed to just the birth of their seperate ideas. That depends on the movie itself, the trailer doesn't say one way or the other. The split could be building, but they could also have split and started to work together again because of a subsequent film. Friends tend to do that, fight, take time apart to pursue goals, work together again.

XMO:W Xavier walking, well so far nothing in the trailer suggests he's paralyzed pre-80s. The wheelchair footage was from X1 and X3 that was used, not this movie. All we know for certain based on what they've said, is this movie will cover why charles goes bald possibly.

I'm not saying it'll mesh 100%, but it does mesh more than you're giving it credit for. This trailer isn't enough to refute or prove one way or the other.

I do look forward to an X4, but I don't mind them doing an early days trilogy first or alternating if it gives them elements to use for a later film. All we know for X4 is that Chuck has no body, and that storm and wolverine are in charge of the school. Potentially Colossus and beast too.

Before making hasty judgements, wait until the movie is actually out, then check nitpickers or other continuity furious sites to see how much it lines up before condemning based on a trailer that really doesn't say one way or the other.

OK, very logical.
But seriously, what is your main reason for wanting to see this movie? What appeal does X-men First Class have for you? I really want to understand.

[blackman2005]

If you don't see it, 5000 other people will....
I'm hoping we'll get some decent toys out of it, hopefully some Comic Series Figures to fill in the gaps left by Marvel Universe and XMO:Wolverine.....

[Jmacq1]

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Originally Posted by nakobass

OK, very logical.
But seriously, what is your main reason for wanting to see this movie? What appeal does X-men First Class have for you? I really want to understand.

For me personally?

A good director with a genuine love of the comic medium.

Some very talented cast members (I'm betting Fassbender knocks Magneto out of the park).

The oddity of it being a 60's period piece.

The sheer insanity (possibly insane genius) of Kevin Bacon being cast as Sebastian Shaw

The hawtness of January Jones in white lingerie.

Using some of my favorite X-Characters even if it's in a weird timeframe.

It's not a continuation of the massive trainwreck that was X3 (Funny how with almost half the budget this movie already looks more polished than X3 or XMO: Wolverine ever did).

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Originally Posted by blackman2005

If you don't see it, 5000 other people will....
I'm hoping we'll get some decent toys out of it, hopefully some Comic Series Figures to fill in the gaps left by Marvel Universe and XMO:Wolverine.....

Sadly, I don't think there are toys forthcoming. Though maybe the Marvel Universe line will go "X-Men Heavy" this year to compensate.

[nakobass]

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Originally Posted by blackman2005

If you don't see it, 5000 other people will....
I'm hoping we'll get some decent toys out of it, hopefully some Comic Series Figures to fill in the gaps left by Marvel Universe and XMO:Wolverine.....

True, but I will be a ease knowing I didn't spend any money on it.

[Prem1x]

This movie looks good. After this trailer I'm looking forward to it (and Thor and CA but not so much Spidey).

I feel sorry you people saying you won't see it because of continuity. You must a real hard time reading comics then!

[nakobass]

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Originally Posted by Prem1x

This movie looks good. After this trailer I'm looking forward to it (and Thor and CA but not so much Spidey).

I feel sorry you people saying you won't see it because of continuity. You must a real hard time reading comics then!

I'm not seeing it because none of the X-men I care about are even in it, that's it.

Can someone explain why Magneto is holding a Gun in the Living Room while everybody is watching TV? X-men or not, That's a strange scene in any movie.

[ludovicotek]

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Originally Posted by LUCKYDUBE

Was that Nightcrawler I saw?

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Originally Posted by Saint Phe

Nightcrawler's dad, I think.

Yup, his dad. Azazel.

[firmpulse]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

Not going to argue X3, but if I was, I'd point out that even if vaughn was on board for the script, he wasn't there to execute his vision, which is the exact problem to the script when you change hands so many times

i gotta agree with flakian. X3 suuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked.

spidey 3 was campy as hell. i mean honestly, emo line dancing jazz hands peter? whatevs.

and XMO...c'mon do we really have to play apologetics with THAT steaming pile?

[Jmacq1]

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Originally Posted by nakobass

I'm not seeing it because none of the X-men I care about are even in it, that's it.

Can someone explain why Magneto is holding a Gun in the Living Room while everybody is watching TV? X-men or not, That's a strange scene in any movie.

Speculation at Comicvine (or was it IGN?) is that it's a starter pistol, as Magneto, Havok, and Banshee are all wearing track outfits. Possibly just coming in or just getting ready to go out for "PE."

[trebleshot]

It could simply be a dream sequence.

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Originally Posted by nakobass

Maybe then will will get to see Apocalypse, Archangel, Sentinals, Mister Sinister, and maybe the Shi'ar Empire.

I just don't see them doing the Shi'ar Empire in any live-action X-Men movie, whether it's Fox or Marvel backing it.

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

Looks good to me too. So much awesomeness like beast, the hellfire club and more.

I'm still looking forward to it, but I have a few reservations. As cool as the scene was, Magneto lifting a submarine out of the water worries me a bit. But I'll be OK as long as the story has some kind of explanation for why Magneto isn't still that powerful in X1 (besides being 40+ years older, since he's the same age in the comics and he's only gotten more powerful).

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Originally Posted by webz

Webshooters make no sense. A highschool kid can make a compound the 3M company cannot? uh-huh.... suuuuuuuuuure.

Yes, yes he can. Peter did it in the original comics, so why not? People seem to forget that Peter Parker is also a genius. Maybe not quite on the level of Reed Richards, Bruce Banner, Victor Von Doom, Hank Pym or Tony Stark, but he's damn close.

In Ultimate Spider-Man, his father invented the adhesive compound and Peter designed and built the actual shooters. Maybe this film will go with the Ultimate version.

[nakobass]

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Originally Posted by Jmacq1

Speculation at Comicvine (or was it IGN?) is that it's a starter pistol, as Magneto, Havok, and Banshee are all wearing track outfits. Possibly just coming in or just getting ready to go out for "PE."

LOL!!! Seriously, that's funny as hell. Thank You FOX for saving me 10 bucks.

[Jmacq1]

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

I just don't see them doing the Shi'ar Empire in any live-action X-Men movie, whether it's Fox or Marvel backing it.

Probably not, no. Marvel will probably keep most of the cosmic stuff to cosmic-themed movies if they eventually get around to them.

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I'm still looking forward to it, but I have a few reservations. As cool as the scene was, Magneto lifting a submarine out of the water worries me a bit. But I'll be OK as long as the story has some kind of explanation for why Magneto isn't still that powerful in X1 (besides being 40+ years older, since he's the same age in the comics and he's only gotten more powerful).

Well, the films were a little more realistic with Magneto's age (physically speaking), as in the comics he's been de-aged and cloned and had all kinds of other stuff happen to make him physically younger than he should be (and even then they've basically given up and just said "Yeah his powers help keep him young). I don't see why they couldn't also be more realistic about the toll age takes on him. Even so he did some pretty impressive stuff in X2 (Halting a crashing Blackbird effortlessly, for example) and X3, and even X1 despite the more limited FX budget. He really didn't have all that much opportunity for showing off his power in X1, but lifting all those police cars, guns and bullets and manipulating them all at the same time is pretty freaking impressive for the level of control if not the raw power.

Plus the movies tend to be more realistic/limited about Magneto's powers in general...he generally only manipulates metal, as opposed to the uber catch-all mega-powers he has in the comics that they just pseudoscience away as "Mastery of the entire electromagnetic spectrum."

He looks like he's struggling with the Submarine. Personally I'm just kinda psyched because it could easily be a shout-out to the Leningrad incident from the comics.

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Originally Posted by nakobass

LOL!!! Seriously, that's funny as hell. Thank You FOX for saving me 10 bucks.

You think it's somehow unusual that teenagers might do track and field events at a school and that one of their teachers might have a starter pistol for that purpose? Either way it's just speculation, and a pretty plausible reason for Magneto to be carrying a gun in that context. Maybe there's another reason entirely, but you'd have to actually watch the movie or at least wait for reviews to see what it is. Either way, it isn't like Magneto's going to run around packing heat for the whole movie.

[Prime dude]

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Originally Posted by Jmacq1

Speculation at Comicvine (or was it IGN?) is that it's a starter pistol, as Magneto, Havok, and Banshee are all wearing track outfits. Possibly just coming in or just getting ready to go out for "PE."

I actually thought Magneto would shoot someone, to then move the bullet throgh his body. Or simply remove the bullet from the dying person. Thank God it isn't going to be like that.

[trebleshot]

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Originally Posted by Jmacq1

Well, the films were a little more realistic with Magneto's age (physically speaking), as in the comics he's been de-aged and cloned and had all kinds of other stuff happen to make him physically younger than he should be (and even then they've basically given up and just said "Yeah his powers help keep him young). I don't see why they couldn't also be more realistic about the toll age takes on him. Even so he did some pretty impressive stuff in X2 (Halting a crashing Blackbird effortlessly, for example) and X3, and even X1 despite the more limited FX budget. He really didn't have all that much opportunity for showing off his power in X1, but lifting all those police cars, guns and bullets and manipulating them all at the same time is pretty freaking impressive for the level of control if not the raw power.

Plus the movies tend to be more realistic/limited about Magneto's powers in general...he generally only manipulates metal, as opposed to the uber catch-all mega-powers he has in the comics that they just pseudoscience away as "Mastery of the entire electromagnetic spectrum."

He looks like he's struggling with the Submarine. Personally I'm just kinda psyched because it could easily be a shout-out to the Leningrad incident from the comics.

That make me feel a little better, but the Blackbird probably weighed a lot less than that sub (modern/advanced engineering and materials, designed for flight, etc), as did all of the cars, bullets and guns in X1. Having said that, the fact that it was crashing at the time is still impressive.

And I do think with age (in either continuity), Magneto would develop a very high level of control over his powers and be able to manipulate several smaller objects at the same time. But as you said, that's an example of control and not raw power.

Maybe it's more of a choice between one really big object or a lot of smaller objects, as opposed to specific power levels, training or technique.

[Jmacq1]

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

That make me feel a little better, but the Blackbird probably weighed a lot less than that sub (modern/advanced engineering and materials, designed for flight, etc), as did all of the cars, bullets and guns in X1. Having said that, the fact that it was crashing at the time is still impressive.

Yeah, it's smaller, but bear in mind he also seemed to do it effortlessly. Wasn't straining at all (as opposed to how it looks with the sub).