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02-20-2013, 03:13 PM | #51 |
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Book Grant is an amalgamation of several paleontologists: 95% Jack Horner (also bearded and bespectacled), and subtle influences by Bob Bakker, John Ostrom, and "enthusiast" Gregory Paul.
Book version of Alan Grant is primarily a Hadrosaur specialist, and was credited for many discoveries and theories attributed to Horner. Bakker gets a nod here and there for some of the T. rex theories, and Ostrom and Paul's influence comes shining through when the focus on Velociraptors happen at the end of the book, but all of the nesting, and social aspects of dinosaurs is ALL 100% Horner stuff back in the late 80's when Crichton was doing his research. Horner is always more reserved, and strikes me that he tends to keep to himself more, like Grant in the movie. (Not to imply that Horner doesn't like kids, since Grant didn't) Quote:
Can I just say how happy it makes me that so many Arkers are not just JP movie fans, but of the books as well. I like the 1st and 3rd movies, but love the books. Which is one of the reasons I really liked 3 because even though not based on one it felt closer to the books than the first two films did. Does anyone else think that 20 years is long enough of a time for a true to the books remake? I'd gladly take a 4th JP film if it weren't like 2, but really think remake is the way to do it.
Also, I personally don't like most of the characters in the book. Hammond is the biggest asshole imaginable who deserved to die. He was more reprehensable than Nedry. I personally think, save for Malcom (And it could be due to the fact I can't stand Jeff Goldbloom), that everyone is a much better character in the movie. So, I read the book, not a fan. Though if they used more better dinosaurs (Deinonychus instead of Velociraptors, so on and so forth), most current theories, I wouldn't mind an update using the book characters, even though I don't care for them. Either way, the humans aren't the draw for me.
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I don't think that an Allosaurus it looks more like a Majungasaurus. It would make more sense for it to be the 2nd then the first Majungasaurus are believed to be more cannibalistic making them more terrifying.
I only want a Rex so I can have one behind Jayna
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I don't think I would like that at all, a true to the book adaptation, that is. The book was ultra modern in the early eighties, but was massively outdated by the early ninties. And 20 years on, even the movie is pretty dated. The book is outright ancient. Also, I personally don't like most of the characters in the book. Hammond is the biggest asshole imaginable who deserved to die. He was more reprehensable than Nedry. I personally think, save for Malcom (And it could be due to the fact I can't stand Jeff Goldbloom), that everyone is a much better character in the movie. So, I read the book, not a fan. Though if they used more better dinosaurs (Deinonychus instead of Velociraptors, so on and so forth), most current theories, I wouldn't mind an update using the book characters, even though I don't care for them. Either way, the humans aren't the draw for me. |
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Malungasaurus hadn't been discovered yet when they made any of the JP, Lost World, or JPIII toys.
There for, there was no Majungasaur in the JP or Lost World lines. It was an Allosaur. Nevermind Majunas were supossed to be ugly as sin, and didn't look anything like an allosaur.
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True, but he tends to act more like Bakker in the book, with a much more outgoing and childfriendly personality.
Horner is always more reserved, and strikes me that he tends to keep to himself more, like Grant in the movie. (Not to imply that Horner doesn't like kids, since Grant didn't) Quote:
I don't think I would like that at all, a true to the book adaptation, that is. The book was ultra modern in the early eighties, but was massively outdated by the early ninties. And 20 years on, even the movie is pretty dated. The book is outright ancient.
Also, I personally don't like most of the characters in the book. Hammond is the biggest asshole imaginable who deserved to die. He was more reprehensable than Nedry. I personally think, save for Malcom (And it could be due to the fact I can't stand Jeff Goldbloom), that everyone is a much better character in the movie. So, I read the book, not a fan. Though if they used more better dinosaurs (Deinonychus instead of Velociraptors, so on and so forth), most current theories, I wouldn't mind an update using the book characters, even though I don't care for them. Either way, the humans aren't the draw for me. The dinosaurs, easy enough, could be updated to the latest understandings... Velociraptors would be the size of a German Shepherd, covered in feathers. Dilophosaur would be 18ft long, no frill, and have the unique dentition. Triceratops wouldn't be eating stones, and would have quill-like spines along its back and rump. Apatosaurus instead of Giraffatitan for the first full reveal Young T-rex would be partially feathered (head, neck, chest and spine) Actors I'd love to see in a reboot of JP: Alan Grant- Mark Ruffalo (want Grant to look older, more "professor" than "Indiana Jones") Ellie Sattler - Ellen Page (Grant's grad student/assistant, not a love interest - And Page is convincing as a smart girl) John Hammond- John Malkovich (crazy and charismatic... can do the sweettalk at the beginning and the ranting at the end) Ed Regis - Dustin Diamond (nerdy looking PR guy. limited role) Donald Gennaro - Greg Kinnear (Lawyer who has a major role towards the end of the book) Robert Muldoon - Tom Hardy (not book accurate, but can look the part of a white game hunter) Ian Malcolm - Jim Parsons (From Texas, like Malcolm, and thanks to Big Bang Theory, has proven he can irritate without resorting to stuttering, has to be cutting-edge mathematics, and therefore young). Dennis Nedry - Nick Frost (a little grease in the hair, and he'd make Wayne Knight cringe!) Henry Wu - B.D. Wong (he did excellent in JP 1, bring him back!) Last edited by webz; 02-20-2013 at 11:51 PM.. |
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Having read the first JP book 112 times (yes, it's my favorite.. so sue me) I don't get the "outgoing" part. Grant in the book is very reserved. Sure he opens up to the kids, but that's because how can someone, who's job demands imagination, not like kids? But he is a very careful, thoughtful man, and not as animated or eccentric as Bakker. Bakker got his JP moment in JP2 as the inspiration for the scientist who gets eaten in the cave.
Like James Bond, Jurassic Park could easily be modernized yet still be extremely faithful. Less "theme park" and more like Jaws. Jaws was a marvel of character development, and Spielberg totally dropped the ball in favor of a Universal Studios theme park ride. Develop the characters so we feel for them. I loved all the characters of Jurassic Park. Yes, they were all various shades of ugly, but that was Crichton's point... scientific greed ends badly. The dinosaurs, easy enough, could be updated to the latest understandings... Velociraptors would be the size of a German Shepherd, covered in feathers. Dilophosaur would be 18ft long, no frill, and have the unique dentition. Triceratops wouldn't be eating stones, and would have quill-like spines along its back and rump. Apatosaurus instead of Giraffatitan for the first full reveal Young T-rex would be partially feathered (head, neck, chest and spine) Actors I'd love to see in a reboot of JP: Alan Grant- Mark Ruffalo (want Grant to look older, more "professor" than "Indiana Jones") Ellie Sattler - Ellen Page (Grant's grad student/assistant, not a love interest - And Page is convincing as a smart girl) John Hammond- John Malkovich (crazy and charismatic... can do the sweettalk at the beginning and the ranting at the end) Ed Regis - Dustin Diamond (nerdy looking PR guy. limited role) Donald Gennaro - Greg Kinnear (Lawyer who has a major role towards the end of the book) Robert Muldoon - Tom Hardy (not book accurate, but can look the part of a white game hunter) Ian Malcolm - Jim Parsons (From Texas, like Malcolm, and thanks to Big Bang Theory, has proven he can irritate without resorting to stuttering, has to be cutting-edge mathematics, and therefore young). Dennis Nedry - Nick Frost (a little grease in the hair, and he'd make Wayne Knight cringe!) Henry Wu - B.D. Wong (he did excellent in JP 1, bring him back!) Dr. Gerry Harding - Nick Offerman (Chief vet on the island and Sarah Harding's (Lost World) father. I think Offerman would lend so much to the character.) Dr. Martin "Marty" Guitierrez - Ruben Blades (A small but memorable role in in both books.) Dr. Lewis Dodgson - Tom Hiddleston (The main villain if you will.) John Arnold - Sam Jackson (Same thing you said about BD) |
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Like James Bond, Jurassic Park could easily be modernized yet still be extremely faithful. Less "theme park" and more like Jaws. Jaws was a marvel of character development, and Spielberg totally dropped the ball in favor of a Universal Studios theme park ride. Develop the characters so we feel for them. I loved all the characters of Jurassic Park. Yes, they were all various shades of ugly, but that was Crichton's point... scientific greed ends badly.
The dinosaurs, easy enough, could be updated to the latest understandings... Velociraptors would be the size of a German Shepherd, covered in feathers. Dilophosaur would be 18ft long, no frill, and have the unique dentition. Triceratops wouldn't be eating stones, and would have quill-like spines along its back and rump. Apatosaurus instead of Giraffatitan for the first full reveal Young T-rex would be partially feathered (head, neck, chest and spine) Actors I'd love to see in a reboot of JP: Alan Grant- Mark Ruffalo (want Grant to look older, more "professor" than "Indiana Jones") Ellie Sattler - Ellen Page (Grant's grad student/assistant, not a love interest - And Page is convincing as a smart girl) John Hammond- John Malkovich (crazy and charismatic... can do the sweettalk at the beginning and the ranting at the end) Ed Regis - Dustin Diamond (nerdy looking PR guy. limited role) Donald Gennaro - Greg Kinnear (Lawyer who has a major role towards the end of the book) Robert Muldoon - Tom Hardy (not book accurate, but can look the part of a white game hunter) Ian Malcolm - Jim Parsons (From Texas, like Malcolm, and thanks to Big Bang Theory, has proven he can irritate without resorting to stuttering, has to be cutting-edge mathematics, and therefore young). Dennis Nedry - Nick Frost (a little grease in the hair, and he'd make Wayne Knight cringe!) Henry Wu - B.D. Wong (he did excellent in JP 1, bring him back!) I have no issues with that cast, though I would prefer Muldoon be modernized from big game hunter, to a cross between an animal adventurer (Like Steve Irwin or Jeff Corwin) and game reserve master. And with the discovery of Yutyrannus, there's now reason to believe that tyrannosaurids kept their feathers as adults, also. But neither of those things are here, nor there. I could live with that movie.
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Jurassic Park 4 is out in 2014 and that figure is Ugly. The Majung is closer related to the Carnotaurus then Allosaurus
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What are you talking about? There was no majungasaurus in the JP line. It hadn't even been discovered then. There was a Carnotaurus and an Allosaurus, though.
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I am saying that those maybe for the New Movie not the 3d Rerelease
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02-22-2013, 06:33 PM | #61 |
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Those what? That you want to see see a magungasaur in the fourth movie line?
I could get behind that. Also, I really like saying Magungasaurus.
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Sweet, can't wait to see these new JP figures once they release, Too bad it's a while away from now.
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There was no ebay in the late ninties, so no one would have expected you to know about it back then.
But he wasn't being snarky. The way you wrote your post you made it sound like that you are presently unaware that the human characters ever existed in toyform at all. At no time did you make it clear that you were referring to a lack of knowledge back then, as opposed to now. Hense the ebay comment. Dude, what are you talking about? Of course there was ebay in the late 90's. Just because you may not have used it doesn't mean others didn't. I've been using ebay since 1998 and I'm 99% positive it's been around earlier than that. Almost no one knew about the existence of feathers as a theory for dinosaurs in the early 90's. I was reading books too, and I can't even recall anyone mentioning it untill at least 97-98 in a publication for the general audience. Unless you were reading journals, which I don't even know of at the time, that somehow may have theorized feathered dinosaurs, it's amazing to me that you would have known about that during the release of Jurassic park. Purchasing journals also requires funds, like upwards of $100 dollars or more in some cases, which I know I didn't have at age 13. Edit: Just did a quick internet search. Apparently EBAY was started in 1995 and had 2 million auctions by 1997. Last edited by victoryleo19; 02-25-2013 at 11:04 AM.. |
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N/ice first post Victory Leo! Welcome to the Ark, coming in like a fighter!
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I'm fairly certain both of these molds were from the already planned, and already cancelled, Gijoe/Jurassic Park cross over. I may be wrong, (which I hope that I am), because I was unable to save the images from the previous ebay auctions, but these look to be old molds. |
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I apologize, I probably did get too aggressive. I've just been reading this thread, and I can't understand how someone would say that. Again, I did come off too strong and I apologize, just got ahead of myself. The point still remains though, that ebay was around in the late 90's. |
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The ball joint ankle and arm joints make me think that they were made after 2005. I am pretty sure these molds have not been released yet. I think this project has been in the works for some time now.
Ever since ROC we have been seeing parts of this JP line.
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The cancelled line was from two years ago. There was one gi joe human figure made that is literally all over ebay. Just search "prototype jurassic park" and you can buy him for probably 5-10 bucks. The rest of the stuff, like the two dinos here, only had a few prototypes and went for pretty big bucks. The line also had a jeep vehicle that got cancelled as well. It looks like it would have been really cool, and I wish it did get released. It looks like the pachyrhinosaurus is from that line, possibly this allosaurus also. I honestly don't know though.
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eBay was founded in 1995 (Two years after JP), though did not gain wide popularity until late 1997 (same year Lost World came out), but as stated by redfox he was a kid then and had no internet so ebay wasn't an option for him until he was an adult at which point the figures were too crude for him. It seems Jetty was in the same boat about not knowing about eBay back then either, which is fine right. I don't see why there is any sort of argument, we all seem to be excited by new JP toys, some want the humans more than the dinos and the other way around, but we all want them so let's just talk about that rather than who didn't know what. Welcome aboard Leo.
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I agree, we're all excited. I got a little vexed seeing his statement as a fact rather than "I'm not sure if ebay was around in the late 90s". It's my mistake.
If we get the Dino molds from the 2011, and if they use the gijoe/3 3/4 scale, it's a safe bet we will at least see the jeep that was designed for the line also. I believe it had a capture mechanism much like the humvee from TLW. I'll have to look around and see if I can find an image for it. Thanks for the welcome. I never ventured here before but I usually only post on TFW or other sites. I hope we see the March release schedule that some are predicting and there seems to be some evidence to support it from retail order logs. Edit: Here's the Hisstank article with the proto vehicles. The helicopter is a little weak in my opinion, but the jeep is an interesting design. Definitely a nod to TLW hummvee. http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/...evealed-10909/ Looks like those dino molds are the old ones, from the cancelled 2011 series. Here's an older forum discussing the pachyrhinosaurus and allosaurus, as well as some others. http://dinotoyforum.proboards.com/in...nt&thread=4746 If we do see these molds released, I'll be excited. Especially that Pachyrhinosaurus. I always wanted the Dino Rider version but it always was out of my reach financially. On the topic of feathered dinosaurs: -Again, Crazy Jetty, I am not saying you are wrong. But I will supply this: The only journal article I can find currently predating 1993 with any mention of the possibility of feathers is in relation to the Archaeopteryx in "The Reptilian Relationships of Archaeopteryx", from The Australian Journal of Zoology. Did you read any other journals predating 1993 that specifically mentioned feathered dinosaurs in relation to larger species? I'm not trying to disprove you, or call you mistaken, I'm honestly curious about where you would have read those sources, because I'd like to look into them also. I vaguely recall the concept of feathered dinosaurs hitting through the mid 90's at the earliest with possible traces of evidence. It was a massive friction point among many paleontologists, so if there was discussion on the matter pre-1993 then I'd be interested to know about it. Last edited by victoryleo19; 02-25-2013 at 11:10 AM.. |
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Almost no one knew about the existence of feathers as a theory for dinosaurs in the early 90's. I was reading books too, and I can't even recall anyone mentioning it untill at least 97-98 in a publication for the general audience. Unless you were reading journals, which I don't even know of at the time, that somehow may have theorized feathered dinosaurs, it's amazing to me that you would have known about that during the release of Jurassic park. Purchasing journals also requires funds, like upwards of $100 dollars or more in some cases, which I know I didn't have at age 13.
First, your tone, and unprovoked and uncalled for outright attack on me is extremely not appreciated. So I'm wrong about ebay, you don't have top fucking ram it down my throat foacross multiple posts about how fucking rediculous I am. "You know, you're mistaken. Ebay has been around since '95." Much more acceptible responce. Second, I don't need to prove my credentials to you. Your implications that I'm lying because I don't fit into your limited generic view of the world of what I should and should not have known as a child is outright insulting. You don't know me. You don't know my experience. As a kid I read everything I was ever given (Mostly national geographic), and watched everything I was ever shown. I've been aware of the dinosaur/bird connection since the mid to late eighties, and aware of the feathered theories since the super early ninties. (90, 91). I read every natgeo article I ever came across, and watched every documentary that was produced and aired on PBS, Discovery, and Learning Channel... not only that I recorded them and watched them ad nausium. I listened to radio shows interviwing Bakker and Horner. They've always been extremely vocal about the Dinosaur/bird connection, on radio, in articles, on TV. So get the hell off my back and act like a human being. I never did anything to you. I don't deserve you coming overhere and attacking me. If you insist on trolling and flame baiting me, then you're beneath my attention.
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