[nakobass]

You know what, nevermind. I'll just look forward to enjoying Transformers 4, 5, 6, TMNT, and you guys can continue doing whatever you guys do when these movie come out.

[thechris]

Man just calm down, you guys. People are going to pick at movies. That's just the way it is. To be honest, I eagerly waited for Transformers to come out, sat through Transformers at the edge of my seat the entire time and for a while, I was fairly pleased with the film until the nostalgia wore off and I watched it the second time. THEN, I was a little disappointed about the little flaws and mistakes they had in the movie and the differences it had with G1.

As a result, it wasn't MY movie but it was an entertaining movie if you forget the G1 mythology. 2 was not so hot, the nostalgia had worn off by now and to be honest, I was waiting for the movie to end halfway through. The 3rd one had more SHOCKING elements like when they executed Wheeljack and the leaning building scene was quite exciting. Overall, it could have been the best of the 3, in my opinion, and probably would have had more of a mass appeal. If they somehow integrated the origin portions of the first film into the 3rd film and condensed it overall, it may had been a reasonable film.

However, I don't think people are so much concerned with accuracy as they are about a good movie. The reasons why Batman Begins and the Dark Knight worked was that they were great films that were executed well. They aren't particularly accurate. Sure they added the gritty feel of SOME of the Batman comics, but it still changed a lot. There was no Rachel Dawes in the comics. Harvey Dent's origin was changed dramatically. Henri Ducard and R'as Al Ghul were never the same person.

And heck, you had a lot of people who still questioned Heath Ledger's portrayal of Joker, hating Katie Holmes/Maggie Gyllenhaal's involvement, yadda yadda. You have people who hate the fact that Samuel L. Jackson is portraying Nick Fury and that they changed Nick Fury's skin colour in both the comics and the movies. In Iron Man, Iron Man's origin had been updated to reflect the modern political climate. People will be more sensitive to change if the movie itself is lacking. This is what I've found to be consistent.

nakobass, your standards for films are different and clearly less demanding than others. I used to feel the same way when I was a child. I loved Mario Bros. the movie and now, I consider it torture to watch that. I just think the new Transformers could've been better executed and the same may be said with Ninja Turtles, but we shall see. People were shitting bricks when they heard Heath Ledger was playing Joker, and not in a good way. Then the same people watched it and it was backtrack city.

[bmorr]

Doesn't Michael usually stick to movies involving guns, explosions, tits, and thick layers of militaristic nationalism? Ninja turtles features none of this. Why he doesn't direct GI Joe still baffles me completely Also, I think I am too smart to watch his films lol.

[Snowflakian]

Aren't the turtles already byproducts of alien ooze anyway?

Until the director gets his hands on the script and starts filming, all you're doing is giving it free press by talking about it. That's what this kind of drama and fan rage does. Gives what's otherwise a movie with little to no press major headlines.

Personally, I'm just going to wait until a real trailer is out. Otherwise it's just words that mean nothing until we see how it's handled.

When people hear Ninja Turtles are aliens it's like they are immediately thinking:
"4 aliens who are obsessed with Naruto and happen to look like turtles travel to earth thinking it'd be cool to be ninjas. They crash into a dojo which crushes the sensei. They don't know human physiology so in trying to heal their new sensei with their tech they turn him into a gian rat. Their spaceship is their HQ and it's buried underneath the dojo."

When what I hear is:
"4 turtles who are training to be ninjas know nothing of their past, they could have been stranded aliens, pet turtles mutated by alien/radioactive ooze, or any thing inbetween. They live in the sewers afraid to interact with mankind because of how people may react."

It's easy to assume the worst, but with both creators of the franchise saying they agree with bay and also saying to just chill out, cut it some slack until a real trailer hits.


As for ROTF, yes the twins talked urban/street. Saying they talked black is racist since those speech patterns aren't a solely 'black' thing. This is why people that call them racist are racist. It's the problem of assuming a certain speech pattern is by nature only used by a certain ethnicity which is of itself racist.

The last Airbender had a lot of issues that don't compare to the other toon based movies. What happened there is also lost in a sea of complaints that don't fit. They made one real ethnicity change which was the fire nation, and the rest was story issues and filmmaking choices that made it hard to watch. Things like how they made the avatar state underwhelming, condensed too much material, used what's otherwise the slowest book of the series, and had a bad habit of over-exposition which dragged down the narrative.

Ninja Turtles doesn't look like it'll suffer from any of these issues. Nothing is concrete until a trailer hits, until then everything else is just fan overreactions without basis. Most of which is stemming from the fact everyone is adjusted to what's otherwise already a butchery of the original anyway.

This could be good, this could be bad. It's completely unknown. Early judgements generally don't mean squat. Look at TF animated, early reactions to star trek's reboot until people saw it, and many other properties.

[Jason Abbadon]

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

No, you can never get a universally agreed "great" movie (Outside of The Dark Knight.)

For the record, I thought that movie dragged ass and was overrated.

[Symbiote]

Sorry but when Greenskar told me that Michael Bay was going to direct the new Turtles movie this was the first thing that came to mind. Enjoy lol.

[Greenskar]

Wow...the only thing missing from this thread is Doomtron/troom to telling us there isn't enough villains being discussed in this thread. Unless Michael Bay or enraged fans count as villains.

Ya know, theChris said something that I related to with respect to nostalgia factor, in reference to the first TF movie. Symbiote and i watched the midnight showing when it first came out and we thought it was awesome at the time. Then he watched it a second time with a different friend at a different date and time hoping to relive the magic of that first viewing and for his other friend. It just didn't happen.

I'm sure he can give his own explanation for why but what it ended up being the difference was the exact thing we have been discussing. It was the same fans who are probably picking these movies apart now. The entire theater was packed with fans who got every single phrase reference to the g1 cartoon and there was whistling, oohing and ahhhhing at every other turn creating an atmosphere not unlike a con-panel where every little tease makes the crowd go wild! It was some of the most fun I've ever had at the theaters, ever.

But like thechris said...that nostalgia factor wears off and once the novelty is gone you're left to deal with nothing more than the movie in its entirety. No more excited whistling, oohing and ahhhhing fans, who have since graduated to bashing the movie on the message boards for lack of a starscream who actually sounds and acts like starscream and tons of other stuff. Symbiote described his second viewing being just a quiet audience who most likely didn't know what the hell was going on...general audience.

So now we get back to TMNT, for all intents and purposes, where really you have a guy like Bay speak out of his ass and not know wtf he's even talking about and uses the word "Aliens" to describe mutant turtles. I'm well aware that he's not directing or writing the plot to this movie, what irritates me is that he proves he doesn't care about the fans when be obviously hasn't researched TMNT enough to understand why the fans have reacted as negatively as they did. If he had researched, he would have found a better way to communicate the news, alien or not, in a way that was reassuring and not in the typical "I'm Michael freakin Bay, Aliens and explosions and a big titty April O'Neil played by some bimbo hot chick is the $billion recipe" that everyone immediately hears instead.

Michael Bay has come off like that at times. To him, big numbers means where's my academy award?

But to say fans should be thankful and not want movies to improve or say its impossible, just reminds me why i made this thread in the first place, lol. We come to these boards to discuss menial things like this, (menial in terms of importance to the world and my day to day life problems). Harry Potter is one of the most successful film franchises to date and based off a very successful series of books. How many fans of the books do you know bitch about how the books are ways better? Only everyone I've ever met who actually read the books.

Do you go tell Harry Potter fans they should be thankful there are movies made about a story they've already read and know to be better just because you liked the movies and want to go to Harry Potter land in Orlando Universal Studios? I doubt it. Fans will be fans and if we don't voice opinions strongly for what we like/don't like then you will never get anywhere other than waiting for a movie to hit Netflix or your local red box.

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by thechris

However, I don't think people are so much concerned with accuracy as they are about a good movie. The reasons why Batman Begins and the Dark Knight worked was that they were great films that were executed well. They aren't particularly accurate. Sure they added the gritty feel of SOME of the Batman comics, but it still changed a lot. There was no Rachel Dawes in the comics. Harvey Dent's origin was changed dramatically. Henri Ducard and R'as Al Ghul were never the same person.

And heck, you had a lot of people who still questioned Heath Ledger's portrayal of Joker, hating Katie Holmes/Maggie Gyllenhaal's involvement, yadda yadda. You have people who hate the fact that Samuel L. Jackson is portraying Nick Fury and that they changed Nick Fury's skin colour in both the comics and the movies. In Iron Man, Iron Man's origin had been updated to reflect the modern political climate. People will be more sensitive to change if the movie itself is lacking. This is what I've found to be consistent.

Truest words in the entire thread.

[Spacemafia]

To be honest I dont care.....I wish hollowood would stop, but they never will. Bay is a tool and needs to chill telling people to chill. If it wasnt for those long time fans then you wouldnt have a movie to make because its those people who have been there since day one.

The only good thing about the TF films is that it got Peter Cullen back in as prime. At least the Potter fans got movies that were close to the books.

They didnt make Harry an Alien. At least the marvel films have the characters in character. Tony is not some Cyborg from the planet Smorg 910. You get these pompus asses that dont give a damn and yes mindless Americans and mindless human beings will support this good or not cause Bay will give them a sunset, A half nude girl dripping with sweat, Bangs, Explosions, Another Sunset with a Helicopter, More half naked girls that need to go eat a steak with more mist in the gleaming sun.....cause thats all mindless people care about.

A good story doesnt matter anymore...

And im going to say it....Badboys 1 and 2 sucked!!!!

The TF films sucked.....robot nuts, Bumblebee will never speak again...plus those annoying twin robots....

Ill watch on DVD cause few movies now a days are not worth the money when I have a badass setup in my home.

[FancyPants]

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Originally Posted by Tiberius

I live in Canada...all we do is drink. I have learned to accept that getting your childhood raped is inevitable. However, I was never TMNT fan so it doesn't bother me.


My best ideas come when I am drinking too. But as I said, as long as the TMNT aren't an alien species, I am ok.

With an ooze based economy, the foot clan will surely meet its demise at the hands of alien turtles. Their space aged combat skills are light years ahead of the petty foot soldier. Rock Steady or bee bop were unavailable for questioning