[Beast]

I'm really happy they did Ms. Marvel as the first female. She's had a pretty major storyarc in the comics as of late. Pretty much ever since House of M. And with Dark Reign it looks to be getting even bigger. Plus as was mentioned above, she has major connections to the X-Men. Especially Rogue and Mystique. Who with Storm will hopefully be the next females.

Also, interestingly enough... the first appearance Ms. Marvel also works perfectly as the Fake "Ms. Marvel" who appears to be a member of the Dark Avengers. Or even as Ultra Girl from Avengers: The Initiative. Which means that not only does it satisfy the first appearance folks, but it works as another villain for our collection if we want to use it that way.

Hey Shin, I agree that we need Winter Soldier and New Cap at some point. What about a 'Evolution of Bucky' 3-Pack, like the Star Wars 3-Packs. Bucky, Winter Soldier, and New Captain America. I'd buy that for a dollar.

[trebleshot]

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I read the new Toy Fare this morning on the way to work and Firestar was mentioned in the Article as a possibility, that makes me a happy Camper. If she comes out we are 1/3 away from the Amazing friends

Here's hoping she comes with Ms. Lion as an accessory :thumb:

Although, once Firestar comes out, we really only need Iceman and we'd have all three.

[pud333]

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Originally Posted by DESTRO

I hope the Marvel Team has been surfing the other outsider boards for fan want lists and design input. I really do not want a reduced sized 6" style line. I would much rather have a Modern Telling of an old story just like they did with Joes. So far its a huge mix that really has massive potential to be a top 3 brand at Hasbro.

Bring on the full X-Men and X-Force Teams! Avengers and Full Cast Spider-Man and Friends.

The last part of my FanBoy rant needs to tap the Weapons and Gear shortage. Every one of these figure should have one of those energy blast accessory's if the character has the ability to produce one.

I would rather have web gear and not painted on detail. A good balance is nice to have with the 3 3/4 scale.

Accessory's..........Weapons.....And more of the same..........

End FanBoy Transmission.

100% agree with you there.

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Originally Posted by Shin Densetsu

Judging by the character selection for upcoming waves, I think what Hasbro is trying to do, is make figures of characters who show up in the current and next big storylines, in their current costumes, and then adding in classic versions of them as the line progresses, we are seeing it start with the first 4 waves, I honestly was not expecting to see a classic Iron man that quick, same goes for Punisher.

I noticed that too. I would much prefer a balance, however. If every wave came with half classic and half new wave, that would be great.

As far as the later waves go, I think the must buys for me are anything to do with X-men and Spiderman. I'll probably get Captain America. Would have loved a Punisher, but the two versions Hasbro produced are just too ugly to justify, IMO. Maybe I'll get the second version and get new weapons for him.

I am particularly looking forward to the female characters. Judging from Ms. Marvel, it looks like the molds for the female characters are gonna be great. I always felt the GI Joe molds for the women in the Modern line were really ugly and a sort of strange, old-lady postured look. Where as Ms. Marvel's mold looks like it should: feminine and "comic acurate". Can't wait for Rogue to come out. Hope they go with the Jim Lee look.

I also love the Hulk figure. Gotta go with classic green on that one. It's great that he's bigger in size than the others.

Bottom line: I haven't been this excited about a line of toys since I saw the first images of the Joe 25th line.

[DESTRO]

My point with Ms. Marvel and a few of the other choices is this - I straight up do not read comics! I grab G.I. Joe and collect the trades when I hear something was good. I know I'm not alone in my point of view. My comic collecting days have been over for 15 years now. So what I know of Current Marvel is limited, Civil War, Marvel Zombies and a few other select story's. What Ms. Marvel is currently doing, few people who are collecting Marvel Action Figures are going to care about. She is not main stream POP Culture

Now I'm not saying this character should not get made but this soon in the line? I'm sure the 6" guys who have been collecting this stuff for years are sick of Rouge, Storm, Fire Star, Emma Frost, Jean Grey and the 20 other Iconic Marvel Females that have been produced and repainted to death.

I however have 2 Marvel Characters in my action figure collection. The main reason is I always wanted a solid 3 3/4 action figure line. Now here it is before us and from what I gather from reading the interview in toy fare, the Hasbro Team is going heavy with the current comic nods to characters showing up at comic stands.

You know what, go for it! Hardcore Marvel Fans deserve that, but get the Core Teams on the shelf at the same time before you go after characters that are not as main stream in Marvel Pop Culture.

[Echo7Solo]

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Originally Posted by DESTRO

My point with Ms. Marvel and a few of the other choices is this - I straight up do not read comics! I grab G.I. Joe and collect the trades when I hear something was good. I know I'm not alone in my point of view. My comic collecting days have been over for 15 years now. So what I know of Current Marvel is limited, Civil War, Marvel Zombies and a few other select story's. What Ms. Marvel is currently doing, few people who are collecting Marvel Action Figures are going to care about. She is not main stream POP Culture

Now I'm not saying this character should not get made but this soon in the line? I'm sure the 6" guys who have been collecting this stuff for years are sick of Rouge, Storm, Fire Star, Emma Frost, Jean Grey and the 20 other Iconic Marvel Females that have been produced and repainted to death.

I however have 2 Marvel Characters in my action figure collection. The main reason is I always wanted a solid 3 3/4 action figure line. Now here it is before us and from what I gather from reading the interview in toy fare, the Hasbro Team is going heavy with the current comic nods to characters showing up at comic stands.

You know what, go for it! Hardcore Marvel Fans deserve that, but get the Core Teams on the shelf at the same time before you go after characters that are not as main stream in Marvel Pop Culture.

I think I have a tear in my eye after that one big guy! For real I agree with everything you just said. I'm by no means a Marvel guy and don't think I will be again. Cap is a MUST have for me and there are a few others that I'd love to get. Lord knows if they make a Cable that is good I'm all over that one.

This line has legs that's for sure. I just wish DC would see the articulation is what is needed in their line.

[pud333]

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Originally Posted by DESTRO

You know what, go for it! Hardcore Marvel Fans deserve that, but get the Core Teams on the shelf at the same time before you go after characters that are not as main stream in Marvel Pop Culture.

I don't follow the current storylines of mainstream comic books (though I intend on getting into some of it), so all non mainstream characters are a mystery to me for the most part. Ms. Marvel I only want cause of her link to Rogue back in the day. I have no idea what her current situation is. But as I said in my previous post, I'd prefer a 50/50 mix at most when it comes to the later waves. I have never really owned any marvel figures save for a Spidey and Wolvie once back in the day. I don't want to have to wait until 2010 to get the whole X-men team.

[Beast]

Well, Ms. Marvel until recently was the leader of the Avengers.

So yeah, she's hardly a obscure or minor character getting the nod.

[Shin Densetsu]

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I however have 2 Marvel Characters in my action figure collection. The main reason is I always wanted a solid 3 3/4 action figure line. Now here it is before us and from what I gather from reading the interview in toy fare, the Hasbro Team is going heavy with the current comic nods to characters showing up at comic stands.

I think eventually we will see a shift towards having half classic figures, and half modern figures in the waves. We are seeing it now in a way, I didn't think the classic Iron Man would show up anytime soon, but there he is set for wave 3. What we are seeing now is a shift in focus. During the 6" Marvel Legends line, when Toybiz had the license, their focus was primarily geared towards classic versions of iconic characters, and the obscure ones too. Some modern versions were put in, like Wolverine's costume from Astonishing X-Men, but the line was primarily classic based, and a very vocal demand was there for modern versions of the characters.

For example, both Toybiz and Hasbro have yet to make a 6" Marvel Legends Extremis armor Iron Man, yet here he is already in the 1st wave of Marvel Universe. That design has been in demand for years. In the Marvel Legends line you had a lot of the Classic iconic armors from the classic, to 1st appearance, to the wave 8 version(pre-extremis), Hulkbuster, to Modular and others such as Silver Centurion, but never the Extremis.

So I think Hasbro is addressing both fans who want modern versions and fans that want classic versions. Comic book fans have always wanted a toyline that followed the current books, but those are few and far between outside of DC Direct's releases. At the same time, classic characters are always in demand, so I think we will see all of the classic versions we want soon enough. Moon Knight from wave 4 can double as the classic one, in fact, by the way his hood is sculpted, he looks more like the 70's version.

I think the current versions of the characters are good for starting the line, and I think classic characters will guarantee it's longevity. In this way, both parties win(especially since there are a TON of classic characters they can make!). I am itching gor a early 90's Xmen team, I want battle packs for both the Blue and Gold teams. Playsets. Danger Room. Daily Bugle. At this scale, it is cheaper to take the risk of making playsets. For example what if we got a modular Danger Room? Modular components/stackable rooms to make the Triskellion from Ultimates? Hall of Armors for Iron Man w/exclusive training armor?

After the 1st year or so I would not be surprised if Classic versions outnumber or come close to the number of modern versions of characters.

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I have never really owned any marvel figures save for a Spidey and Wolvie once back in the day. I don't want to have to wait until 2010 to get the whole X-men team

Considering that this is Hasbro and that you mentioned Wolverine and Spiderman, and that Wolverine has a movie coming out, is popular to begin with, has a cartoon out, and is all over the comic books to the point where people think he is way too stretched out and overused, I have no doubt in my mind you will see a good number of Wolverine figures, same thing with Spiderman. As a Wolverine fan, even I think he is used too much in the books, I mean come on he is part of at least 3 teams now! Why?! Since completing teams is easy and more afforable at this scale, I don't think we will have to wait too long to be able to complete teams. I want to complete a team of Ultimates!

[pud333]

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Originally Posted by Shin Densetsu

Considering that this is Hasbro and that you mentioned Wolverine and Spiderman, and that Wolverine has a movie coming out, is popular to begin with, has a cartoon out, and is all over the comic books to the point where people think he is way too stretched out and overused, I have no doubt in my mind you will see a good number of Wolverine figures, same thing with Spiderman. As a Wolverine fan, even I think he is used too much in the books, I mean come on he is part of at least 3 teams now! Why?! Since completing teams is easy and more afforable at this scale, I don't think we will have to wait too long to be able to complete teams. I want to complete a team of Ultimates!

Yeah, Wolverine has definitely been overused. I'm sure we'll get every repaint possible throughout 2009. He'll be like Cobra Commander.

[Shin Densetsu]

With wave 1 already arriving in Singapore and waves 3 and 4 already revealed in Toyfare, anyone else think these will actually hit the states next month instead of march? I sure hope so! See I, like many of you, have always wanted a joe scale Marvel line. 3-3/4" is a timeless scale, you can't kill it, we all know many have tried, but it keeps coming back!
The possibilities are endless especially considering that this is a comic based line, nearly everything Hasbro has worked into their other 3-3/4" lines can fit in here, such as comic packs, battle packs, evolutions sets, playsets and vehicles. Iron Man's hall of armors is a perfect fit for Evolutions sets. The whole point of an evolutions set is to see versions of the character through progression of time, and a heavy emphasis on accessories, in Iron Man's case, his armor! I crave battle packs. It is the easiest way to either troop build, complete teams, or collect a rogues gallery all at once. Comic packs alone could automically consist of a huge roster. I have a feeling this line, has the potential to outlive Marvel Legends, and outlast any Marvel toy line that came before it. I truly think the big battle in the toy aisle next year in this scale is between this line and Mattel's DC Inifinite Heroes line. We still don't know how Mattel's new IH figures will turn out next year with new articulation, or what plans they have for playsets vehicles, while at this point, most of us including myself already think Hasbro has won the battle.

[Flint]

Until Mattel proves otherwise, Marvel has already won the battle. They pretty much nailed it with the first offerings and have only room to grow.

[Beast]

Yeah, the Mattel Infinite Zeroes line is awful.

Shoddy paint, articulation, among other things. Character selection is great, if they're trying to market just to collectors. But the problems mean that most collectors are going to pass on them cause they're just awful. And let's not forget Mattel's horrible availability problems.

[Shin Densetsu]

If I am not mistaken there are at least 35 figures planned for this line next year. I wonder who the rest of them will be? I bet by SDCC this line will be HUGE! I hope we get swappable heads too, it would be awesome to see the wave 1 Wolverine repainted into the brown costume with swappable unmasked head. Maybe a variant would be the unmasked head with a cigar in mouth.

[pud333]

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Originally Posted by Shin Densetsu

I truly think the big battle in the toy aisle next year in this scale is between this line and Mattel's DC Inifinite Heroes line. We still don't know how Mattel's new IH figures will turn out next year with new articulation, or what plans they have for playsets vehicles, while at this point, most of us including myself already think Hasbro has won the battle.

Yeah, I already think DC is down for the count with their current IH line. Hopefully their next ones will be better, cause they have a lot of catching up to do. I'd love to finally get a really well articulated Batman and Supes for my 3 3/4 collection.

[Flint]

After re-reading the New Toy Fare again, I really want that Nick Fury figure. He is perfect. I wonder what the requirements to get him will be?

Also Punisher version 2 looks sooo much better, more proportionate then the one Destro proofiled.

[Echo7Solo]

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Originally Posted by Flint

Until Mattel proves otherwise, Marvel has already won the battle. They pretty much nailed it with the first offerings and have only room to grow.

the keys to a good action figure is
1 subject
2 sculpting
3 articulation
4 accessories

For me I'd say DC wins on subject. I'd rather have Batman than Wolverine or Superman than Spiderman any day of the week. But that is just me. Sculpting is going to go to Marvel on this one. Articulation goes to Marvel and as far as accessories........ well it's about the same. Right now Marvel is running away with this one. I just wish DC would take a hint and get their act together.

[Flint]

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Originally Posted by Echo7Solo

the keys to a good action figure is
1 subject
2 sculpting
3 articulation
4 accessories

For me I'd say DC wins on subject. I'd rather have Batman than Wolverine or Superman than Spiderman any day of the week. But that is just me. Sculpting is going to go to Marvel on this one. Articulation goes to Marvel and as far as accessories........ well it's about the same. Right now Marvel is running away with this one. I just wish DC would take a hint and get their act together.

Don't get me wrong, I'm more of a DC guy then a Marvel guy, but when you compare IH to the 3 3/4 Marvel figures there is no competition. Supposedly the next year of IH will be different articulation, so maybe they'll look better.

[Beast]

Given we're still seeing previews of new figures for next year with the current articulation, it makes one wonder just when the improvements will be phased in. I was going to collect the Titans figures, but after seeing the terrible scale of figures like Robin for next year... umm, huge pass. Wonder Girl's normal sized and Robin only comes up to her bosom. He's a total midget.



And I won't even get into Wonder Girl's awful bowed legs.

[Flint]

At least Robin gets a good view.

[AdrienVeidt]

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Given we're still seeing previews of new figures for next year with the current articulation, it makes one wonder just when the improvements will be phased in.

If we recognize that Mattel came out with their announcement of improving articulation virtually the same weekend Hasbro showed off the MU figs at SDCC (completely spanking Mattel with their pathetic playsets made from busted-ass computer cases), and going by the proverbial 'it takes a year to go from concept sketch to toy aisle' I doubt we'll be seeing any new DCIH molds until late next summer. This will give Hasbro at least 3 months to solidify the difference in MU articulation and DCIH patheticulation in collector minds; and probably more since I'm really doubting we'll have to wait all the way until March to get our hands on *something* 18th Marvel (since I've just read of a guy buying MU figs in the Phillippines now).

To top all that off, I'm not hearing anything about ball hips in the new articulation so they're still going to be fundamentally lame, imho. As nice as 'fully articulated' SW figs are nowadays, they're still just custom fodder to me until they get ball hips.

[Shin Densetsu]

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If we recognize that Mattel came out with their announcement of improving articulation virtually the same weekend Hasbro showed off the MU figs at SDCC (completely spanking Mattel with their pathetic playsets made from busted-ass computer cases), and going by the proverbial 'it takes a year to go from concept sketch to toy aisle' I doubt we'll be seeing any new DCIH molds until late next summer.

That coincides with SDCC, and Mattel has been hyping up SDCC and suggesting that we keep all of our monitor points from the packaging of the DCIH figures.

[vadersquest]

Here's a list of the Marvel Legends 3.75 Figures slated for 2009:Credit goes to Siddarth for the info

Spider-Man
Punisher
Silver Surfer
Iron Man
Iron Man - Stealth Op
Human Torch - Blue Uniform
Black Panther
Human Torch
Daredevil
Bullseye
Wolverine - Black & Silver X-Force
Captain America - Ultimate
Hulk
Hulk - Grey Version
Green Goblin
Ronin
Iron Fist
Some of these figs will only see 1 release in 1 wave. More info to come.

[Flint]

There is also a flame on variant for the Torch.

[Beast]

Yeah, you're missing quite a few....

Wave 1:

Black Panther
Bullseye
Daredevil
Human Torch (Flamed On)
Human Torch (F4 costume)
Iron Man (Modern)
Iron Man (Stealth Armor)
Punisher (Classic)
Silver Surfer
Spider-Man
Wolverine (X-Force)

Wave 2:

Green Goblin
Hulk (Green)
Hulk (Grey)
Iron Fist
Ronin
Ultimate Captain America

Wave 3:

Black Costume Spider-Man
Hand Ninja
Iron Man (Classic - Winged Mask)
Iron Man (Classic - Bolted Mask)
Ms. Marvel
Ms. Marvel (1st Appearance)
Punisher (Modern)
The Thing

Nick Fury/S.H.I.E.L.D. Soldier (Mail-Away)

Wave 4:

Moon Knight
Red Hulk
Union Jack

To Be Determined:

Blade
Colossus
Hobgoblin
Thor (Modern)

[siddarth]

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Originally Posted by Beast

Yeah, you're missing quite a few....

I think that's why the end of the post said "More info to come". But adding to the list does help.