[snake5289]

*sigh* I'm never getting a Superman game am I?

[BarbaraGordon]

I saw Birds of Prey Harley Quinn (Margot Robbie) at Target. It was $20.99, same as Amazon's price. I wonder if this is a sign of a line-wide price increase for 2022.

Also, the Dune figures are on clearance, $7.49 ($11.99 for the Baron).

[BarbaraGordon]

Not enough villains in your DC Multiverse display? Get McFarlane's Wild Card and Inferno figures.

The body is the same for both figures, just different colors. Only the right hand has a trigger finger, so you can give one of Inferno's guns to Peacemaker.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

I saw Birds of Prey Harley Quinn (Margot Robbie) at Target. It was $20.99, same as Amazon's price. I wonder if this is a sign of a line-wide price increase for 2022.

Also, the Dune figures are on clearance, $7.49 ($11.99 for the Baron).

Still too much for those dune figs.

[BarbaraGordon]

I figured out why McFarlane made the Build a Batmobile that size -- it's Robin's bed.

[EvilMonkeyPope]

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Originally Posted by snake5289

*sigh* i'm never getting a superman game am i?

"solve my maze!"

[BarbaraGordon]

Was just playing with online photo editing software and came up with this:



Similar to GL John Stewart/Hal Jordan and the two Lex Luthors, McFarlane can basically re-use Three Jokers Batgirl as Batwoman, just paint the yellow parts red and give her an appropriate head sculpt. If they're feeling generous, a different chest with character-specific emblem.

[BarbaraGordon]

GameStop.com has Swamp Thing in stock, and it qualifies for Free Shipping by itself.

https://www.gamestop.com/collectible...re/309316.html

[EvilMonkeyPope]

Batwoman deserves to be more than a repaint.

[BarbaraGordon]

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Originally Posted by EvilMonkeyPope

Batwoman deserves to be more than a repaint.

While I agree, I think The Drowned may've poisoned the well for both Kate Kane (because female Batman) and Mera (because trident). If a female Batman can't sell out for $8, McFarlane may be reluctant to make either character, even with Aquaman 2 on the way. I mean, given all the leaks we've had so far, the only new female characters are Catwoman from the Robert Pattinson movie and Cyclone from the Black Adam movie -- no comic book version of female characters.

[jwyss234]

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

While I agree, I think The Drowned may've poisoned the well for both Kate Kane (because female Batman) and Mera (because trident). If a female Batman can't sell out for $8, McFarlane may be reluctant to make either character, even with Aquaman 2 on the way. I mean, given all the leaks we've had so far, the only new female characters are Catwoman from the Robert Pattinson movie and Cyclone from the Black Adam movie -- no comic book version of female characters.

Just because a figure flopped at retail doesn't mean that any character adjacent to it will be automatically doomed. Both of the WW84 figures flopped at retail but McFarlane has continued making Wonder Woman figures. They've released the Last Knight and Death Metal versions of WW and they're rumored to be making another based on the story Endless Winter. Also, Art of the Crime Batgirl wasn't a hit when she was released either. But now we have Batgirl from 3 Jokers and an upcoming one from Gotham Knights.

Part of the problem is that McFarlane isn't universe building the way Mattel and DC Collectibles did. Todd finds designs that he thinks are cool and then makes figures of them. Once a particular story has run its course, he moves on to the next story.

[BarbaraGordon]

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Originally Posted by jwyss234

Just because a figure flopped at retail doesn't mean that any character adjacent to it will be automatically doomed. Both of the WW84 figures flopped at retail but McFarlane has continued making Wonder Woman figures. They've released the Last Knight and Death Metal versions of WW and they're rumored to be making another based on the story Endless Winter. Also, Art of the Crime Batgirl wasn't a hit when she was released either. But now we have Batgirl from 3 Jokers and an upcoming one from Gotham Knights.

I don't think AOTC Batgirl was put on 50%-plus clearance. The fact that two more Batgirls are on the way disproves whatever point you might've meant to make about the character.

Regular armor Gal Gadot sold out quickly. Yes, Golden Armor Gal Gadot is still sitting on Target's shelves (at full price, btw), but Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, and Harley Quinn are the four pillars of DC merchandising (this is per Jim Lee). Anyone with a DC toy license will flog those four characters, and some will be misses simply due to sheer output (Red Son Superman is also $8-$9 now). McFarlane even made a Birds of Prey HQ, and that movie was divisive to say the least.

The only conclusions to draw are:

1) maybe female characters really do sell poorly or
2) maybe someone calling the shots (could be McFarlane, could be DC) is sexist.

[jwyss234]

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

I don't think AOTC Batgirl was put on 50%-plus clearance. The fact that two more Batgirls are on the way disproves whatever point you might've meant to make about the character.

Regular armor Gal Gadot sold out quickly. Yes, Golden Armor Gal Gadot is still sitting on Target's shelves (at full price, btw), but Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, and Harley Quinn are the four pillars of DC merchandising (this is per Jim Lee). Anyone with a DC toy license will flog those four characters, and some will be misses simply due to sheer output (Red Son Superman is also $8-$9 now). McFarlane even made a Birds of Prey HQ, and that movie was divisive to say the least.

The only conclusions to draw are:

1) maybe female characters really do sell poorly or
2) maybe someone calling the shots (could be McFarlane, could be DC) is sexist.

AOTC Batgirl was put on clearance. Many people specifically hated the figure because of the costume choice and because she was the same height as the DC#1000 Batman. And the fact that there are more Batgirls on the way PROVES my point. One flop doesn't mean that all future figures of a character, or similar/adjacent characters, are doomed. Sometimes, figures just don't sell and it happens across all mass market toy lines.


As for the conclusions you listed:
1) Female characters do sell. Just look at other toy lines and you'll find figures of female characters that have sold well. You'll even find Top 10 wish lists for various toy lines that regularly have female characters that fans want to see made. And brand managers for those toy lines do look at some of those Top 10 lists and make decisions.

2) You shouldn't be calling people sexist until there is evidence of it. The conversations between McFarlane and DC/WB aren't public knowledge. We don't know what directions or mandates DC/WB gives McFarlane. And while Todd himself has said that he likes to make figures that look cool, we don't know the full decision making process his company goes through when specifically choosing what gets made. Just because we're unhappy with the results of their decision making doesn't mean that something nefarious is happening behind the scenes. As you pointed out, the pillars of the DC universe are The Trinity and Harley Quinn. Even prioritizing The Trinity takes away spots from other characters, female characters included.


The only conclusion that we can tangibly draw is that McFarlane has a problem with character selection. That particular point has been a part of the conversation since the line started. Many fans want McFarlane to fill out the DC Universe. But like I said above, Todd has said in the past that they like to pick designs that look cool but aren't necessarily the classic designs. That means they're jumping from story to story and we can clearly see that in what they've chosen to base figures on: Last Knight on Earth, Metal/Death Metal, DCAU, CWTV, Injustice 2 Futures End, Snyder-Verse, White Knight, Arkham, DC Rebirth, Dark Knight Returns, etc.

[BarbaraGordon]

The fact that wish lists are filled with female characters indicates that there is an unfulfilled want. McFarlane (either the man himself or the company as a whole) making characters of interest to them...and most of them being male indicates sexism to some degree. This might not be overt sexism ("I prefer men over women!") but could be latent sexism (a person is sexist without even being aware of it).

Then again, maybe there's no problem, and Barbara Gordon is simply the new sixth pillar of DC behind Red Hood?

[Designincase]

Green Lantern Hal and Prime Time

Nothing much to say about Hal as he's the same body as John. Which is totally okay, I just dislike it was put in a two pack.

Superboy Prime is pretty good.

The side eye needs to die unless Mcfarlane starts including a neutral head. It's worse then an extreme facial expression(cough Dark Knight Returns Superman cough).

It's a shame as the eyes on these latest figures have been awesome thanks to digital printing. But it's not acceptable as it is right now.

Also I'd prefer the fight have detached shoulder pads as they limit articulation and wants to tear.


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Now as to female figures. This line has come out during a pandemic and the figures they've done have been limited. I think some of these figures really need to be surrounded with figures you want to build the whole set with. WW84 figures for example would have works for ZSJL vs being just two figures and no Cheetah.

Too early to call Batwoman. Drowned, I think suffered the most of supply. By the time it really got out, the line had moved on.

[snake5289]

Did you swap Rebirth Superman's legs out or just repaint them? Looks way better that way.

[BarbaraGordon]

Found this one at Target. Others are seeing Red Hood in their stores.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by Designincase

Drowned, I think suffered the most of supply. By the time it really got out, the line had moved on.

Drowned is one of my favorite figures next to red hood and red death. Plus i think she was kinda hot in the comics and the figure looks like she stepped right off the comic and straight into my heart.

[BarbaraGordon]

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Originally Posted by Harbinger

Drowned is one of my favorite figures next to red hood and red death. Plus i think she was kinda hot in the comics and the figure looks like she stepped right off the comic and straight into my heart.

[jwyss234]

@Designincase

What figure stands are you using? They look pretty sweet.


Glad to see some of the 3 Jokers figures hitting retail. I have Batgirl and The Comedian but I've been waiting since Thanksgiving for Amazon to ship Batman. I'll grab the others over time.

[Designincase]

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Originally Posted by snake5289

Did you swap Rebirth Superman's legs out or just repaint them? Looks way better that way.

Repaint

DC dumped this design 1 year later which means they decided to nix it after a few months to get the stories ready..........then BENDIS!

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@Designincase

What figure stands are you using? They look pretty sweet.

My own design

[snake5289]

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Originally Posted by Designincase

Repaint

DC dumped this design 1 year later which means they decided to nix it after a few months to get the stories ready..........then BENDIS!

Nice. I was planning to do the same whenever I get around to picking one up.

And yeah I immediately lost interest in Superman comics (my favorite DC character) the second they announced he was taking over. All the great stuff Jurgens and Tomasi and Gleason were doing just dropped for absolutely no good reason.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by snake5289

Nice. I was planning to do the same whenever I get around to picking one up.

And yeah I immediately lost interest in Superman comics (my favorite DC character) the second they announced he was taking over. All the great stuff Jurgens and Tomasi and Gleason were doing just dropped for absolutely no good reason.

Bendis……the worst thing to happen to comics since rob leifield.

[Tony_Bacala]

Reworked the DC area. I have limited space so most I have to keep in tubs for now. Wanted to let them breath a bit so thinned it out. Spawn area is temp, I have another tub and half shelf off camera of that stuff too.

[BarbaraGordon]

Three Jokers The Clown is appearing in Target stores.