[kenm2474]

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Originally Posted by Nintenderek

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was on set, but only for a post credit scene.

Anything like that works for me. That just opens up Wolverine in the MCU.

[Trivial Psychic]

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Originally Posted by donmeca2020

Only thing im hearing that i don't like, is he might not have the large white spider on his chest....

Most likely he won't. The chest logo hasn't been featured in any of the promo art what-so-ever. It's not a game changer to me, as the Venom's spider logo has been changed several times over the years, and the Ultimate Version of the character omitted it altogether for the most part.

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Originally Posted by Nitelife

Its been confirmed no spider symbol...doesnt mean there may not be a symbol, its just not gonna be the classic venom one.

Most likely because Disney probably doesn't want people confusing Venom's spider logo for Spider-Man, most likely so they can use it for themselves when the time becomes convenient. Interesting, because in the past, Sony has always used the Spider-logo to advertise upcoming Spider-Man films.

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Originally Posted by The Heat

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! I'm not feeling this either. Everything from the look to what's likely to be the theme of this movie feels really off to me.

Curious...what feels off about it? What I'm seeing thus far is a retconned origin story with elements taken directly from the Lethal Protector miniseries. Spidey is missing yes (so far we know of,) but Eddie Brock hasn't been the obsessive Spider-Man stalking serial killer for quite a while now.

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Originally Posted by kenm2474

I swear I don't know why companies think they can make a Marvel Movie without being part of the MCU? There is only so far it can go.

Disney has been making their own properties outside of the MCU for a while now. They say it's all connected...but let's get serious.

Apparently, Shield exists as an organization still despite being disbanded in the films years ago. Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Luke Cage and Danny Rand live within spitting distance of Spider-Man and Dr. Strange, but have never met them. I bet you Cloak and Dagger will never run into them, nor will the Runaways. Rand and Stark Industries seem to have no interest in competing with one another, despite both of it's chairmen being stubborn, egotistical philanthropists.

There was a killer twisting people's heads off in season 2 of Jessica Jones, but no one bothered to lift a finger to help her, despite her relationship to the killer being all over the news. Nobody mentions things unless they are extremely vague about it, the Chitauri invading New York is called "The Event", while the Hulk is called "the big green guy". The closest thing to a cameo from any of the Avengers has been a Captain America Marvel Legends figure. The Sanctum Sanctorum is right there in Hell's Kitchen, and no one ever walks by it, and the Avengers Tower is not even featured in the skyline to any of these shows. Who wants to bet that the Defenders doesn't show up to help the Avengers protect New York once Thanos arrives?

You mentioned that you don't know why people make films outside the MCU? They do because you don't need an overarching universe combining it all together to make it successful and entertaining film. Several of the better received and reviewed superhero films of the past few years were all separate, stand alone stories, free of the constraints of a bigger narrative. Deadpool, Wonder Woman, Logan, Days Of Future Past, and to a lesser extent Homecoming all showed that you don't need a dozen films leading up to something to tell a good story. Those films were allowed to weave their own tale, without being ultimately confined to a larger event.

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Originally Posted by SymbiSpidey

I still don't understand the point of a Venom movie if you have no intention of connecting it to the Spider-Man mythos though. I think a lot of fans (myself included) can't get too invested in a Venom film that we already know isn't relevant to anything.

I'm not a fan of them removing Venom from being intertwined with Spidey in some way either, but the times are changing. As I said, Venom hasn't been a psycho stalking Peter Parker for quite some time now. In fact, some of Brock Venom's best stories in the comics don't even involve Spidey (or involve him minimally.) Lethal Protector, The Madness, Separation Anxiety, Dark Reign: Anti-Venom, and the one shot from New Ways To Live tell terrific Venom stories, devoid of Spidey's presence.

What I see Sony trying to do here (besides trying to capitalize on the R-rated anti-hero fad) is to re-invent things a bit to bring the deeper motivations of the character to a new audience. Think of it like Gotham (a show I don't like personally, but is wildly popular and has it's merits.) Do we really want to see the story of Bruce Wayne becoming Batman...yet again? It's been done a thousand times. Instead, we are getting the story of how the city that made Batman, as well as his rogues gallery, came to be the miserable place that it is.

Same with Venom. We ALL know that Venom started off wanting to kill Spider-Man, but do we remember his motivations for keeping the symbiote around in the first place after he made his peace with Spidey? It's definitely not my Venom (or many other's Venom for that matter) but I'm interested in seeing what kind of new life they can breath into the Eddie Brock character.

Will it make for a compelling movie? Who knows? What I do know is that we've only seen 2 and a half minutes of a likely to be 2 hour film. Life's too short to get so worked up over a movie.

[snake5289]

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Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic

Most likely he won't. The chest logo hasn't been featured in any of the promo art what-so-ever. It's not a game changer to me, as the Venom's spider logo has been changed several times over the years, and the Ultimate Version of the character omitted it altogether for the most part.



Most likely because Disney probably doesn't want people confusing Venom's spider logo for Spider-Man, most likely so they can use it for themselves when the time becomes convenient. Interesting, because in the past, Sony has always used the Spider-logo to advertise upcoming Spider-Man films.



Curious...what feels off about it? What I'm seeing thus far is a retconned origin story with elements taken directly from the Lethal Protector miniseries. Spidey is missing yes (so far we know of,) but Eddie Brock hasn't been the obsessive Spider-Man stalking serial killer for quite a while now.



Disney has been making their own properties outside of the MCU for a while now. They say it's all connected...but let's get serious.

Apparently, Shield exists as an organization still despite being disbanded in the films years ago. Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Luke Cage and Danny Rand live within spitting distance of Spider-Man and Dr. Strange, but have never met them. I bet you Cloak and Dagger will never run into them, nor will the Runaways. Rand and Stark Industries seem to have no interest in competing with one another, despite both of it's chairmen being stubborn, egotistical philanthropists.

There was a killer twisting people's heads off in season 2 of Jessica Jones, but no one bothered to lift a finger to help her, despite her relationship to the killer being all over the news. Nobody mentions things unless they are extremely vague about it, the Chitauri invading New York is called "The Event", while the Hulk is called "the big green guy". The closest thing to a cameo from any of the Avengers has been a Captain America Marvel Legends figure. The Sanctum Sanctorum is right there in Hell's Kitchen, and no one ever walks by it, and the Avengers Tower is not even featured in the skyline to any of these shows. Who wants to bet that the Defenders doesn't show up to help the Avengers protect New York once Thanos arrives?

You mentioned that you don't know why people make films outside the MCU? They do because you don't need an overarching universe combining it all together to make it successful and entertaining film. Several of the better received and reviewed superhero films of the past few years were all separate, stand alone stories, free of the constraints of a bigger narrative. Deadpool, Wonder Woman, Logan, Days Of Future Past, and to a lesser extent Homecoming all showed that you don't need a dozen films leading up to something to tell a good story. Those films were allowed to weave their own tale, without being ultimately confined to a larger event.



I'm not a fan of them removing Venom from being intertwined with Spidey in some way either, but the times are changing. As I said, Venom hasn't been a psycho stalking Peter Parker for quite some time now. In fact, some of Brock Venom's best stories in the comics don't even involve Spidey (or involve him minimally.) Lethal Protector, The Madness, Separation Anxiety, Dark Reign: Anti-Venom, and the one shot from New Ways To Live tell terrific Venom stories, devoid of Spidey's presence.

What I see Sony trying to do here (besides trying to capitalize on the R-rated anti-hero fad) is to re-invent things a bit to bring the deeper motivations of the character to a new audience. Think of it like Gotham (a show I don't like personally, but is wildly popular and has it's merits.) Do we really want to see the story of Bruce Wayne becoming Batman...yet again? It's been done a thousand times. Instead, we are getting the story of how the city that made Batman, as well as his rogues gallery, came to be the miserable place that it is.

Same with Venom. We ALL know that Venom started off wanting to kill Spider-Man, but do we remember his motivations for keeping the symbiote around in the first place after he made his peace with Spidey? It's definitely not my Venom (or many other's Venom for that matter) but I'm interested in seeing what kind of new life they can breath into the Eddie Brock character.

Will it make for a compelling movie? Who knows? What I do know is that we've only seen 2 and a half minutes of a likely to be 2 hour film. Life's too short to get so worked up over a movie.

[kenm2474]

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Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic

You mentioned that you don't know why people make films outside the MCU? They do because you don't need an overarching universe combining it all together to make it successful and entertaining film. Several of the better received and reviewed superhero films of the past few years were all separate, stand alone stories, free of the constraints of a bigger narrative. Deadpool, Wonder Woman, Logan, Days Of Future Past, and to a lesser extent Homecoming all showed that you don't need a dozen films leading up to something to tell a good story. Those films were allowed to weave their own tale, without being ultimately confined to a larger event.

These were not Separate - Wonder Woman universe led into Justice League , Spidey had the Avengers, Deadpool had a whole load of Characters to play with Xmen, Xforce and now the MCU. I am not talking about a Good Single Story. I am talking about a Universe to continually pull more ammo for filming from. Unlike Venom he has very little to pull from and wont have much of a life in Theaters because of that. Its also been stated that Venom will not have the Traditional Spider on his chest as Sony no longer has the rights to do so. This will have no legs to get any traction to stay relevant.

[jwyss234]

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Originally Posted by SymbiSpidey

Is that photo really from Avengers 4? That'd be insane

It’s a set photo from The Wolverine. Rila Fukishima who played Yukio shows up in several of the photos. Check Out New Set Photos From THE WOLVERINE! - FilmoFilia

[Trivial Psychic]

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Originally Posted by kenm2474

These were not Separate - Wonder Woman universe led into Justice League , Spidey had the Avengers, Deadpool had a whole load of Characters to play with Xmen, Xforce and now the MCU. I am not talking about a Good Single Story. I am talking about a Universe to continually pull more ammo for filming from. Unlike Venom he has very little to pull from and wont have much of a life in Theaters because of that. Its also been stated that Venom will not have the Traditional Spider on his chest as Sony no longer has the rights to do so. This will have no legs to get any traction to stay relevant.

Granted, Venom doesn't have the big name supporting cast or rogue's gallery that Spidey or the X-Men have, but that's not to say he doesn't have a couple of interesting stories to tell surrounding the symbiote itself, with Carnage being the most obvious. I think Toxin could be a VERY interesting story, as that symbiote had more free reign and control over it's host (Patrick Mulligan) than Eddie's and Cletus's do, and could make for a great future villain due to it being stronger than Carnage and Venom combined.

There was also Brock's turn as Anti-Venom (which was a favorite character arc of mine that Marvel did away with way too quick,) and of course, there's always the possibility that we could see a "Flash" Venom at some point (at least in spirit, since Flash is a part of the MCU. BTW...#NOTMYFLASH.)

Also, while we do know what the fate is with Peter Parker, do we know what exactly is Marvel's deal with Sony regarding Miles Morales? Or Ben Reilly? Kaine? All three have tangled with Venom in the past, (with Miles having a heavily hyped meeting in the near future.) Sony is prepping a Miles Morales focused animated film, so that tells me there's some leeway there. What about other Spidey villains not likely to appear in a future film, but have tangled with Venom in the past, such as Mr. Negative or Tombstone? It wouldn't surprise me to see any of them show up at some point.

Although a better question would be...do we really want 5 or 6 Venom movies? Unless they do plan on crossing him over into the MCU at some point (I keep hearing a Secret Wars or Battleworld film arc could be on the horizon starting with phase 4) do two or three of them and be done with it.

Truthfully, I have more worries about Silver and Black (if it ever happens) than I do Venom. Depending how this movie plays out, I think Venom at this point could survive on it's own without Spider-Man. Black Cat though...she's NOTHING without Spider-Man. Remember how well that Catwoman film did when people found out there was no Batman in it? As much as I love Felicia, she's not going to do much better.

As for the spider not being on the chest...Venom has appeared without the spider on his chest. He was like that for years in the ultimate universe. If that's what's bothering people enough that they're not willing to give the film a shot, I'm not sure what I can do to help or convince you otherwise. Wolverine appeared in almost a dozen films, never once donning the iconic mask with the yellow and blue tiger stripes. People still flocked to the theater, and no one seemed to mind then. Not sure why it's such a big deal now.

[Weapon X]

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Originally Posted by kenm2474

^^^^I agree. Its being said that MCU Phase 4 will implement Deadpool, Fantastic 4, and Xmen.

Edit: Also a little while back there was a Photo Shot of Hugh Jackman on the Infinity war set in regular cloths with his Wolverine Hairdo.
Sebastian Stan couldn't say much but said he talked with Hugh and Wolverine is on his mind for the MCU.

That is a set photo from The Wolverine

[SymbiSpidey]

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Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic

Apparently, Shield exists as an organization still despite being disbanded in the films years ago. Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Luke Cage and Danny Rand live within spitting distance of Spider-Man and Dr. Strange, but have never met them. I bet you Cloak and Dagger will never run into them, nor will the Runaways. Rand and Stark Industries seem to have no interest in competing with one another, despite both of it's chairmen being stubborn, egotistical philanthropists.

I don't know about SHIELD, since I haven't seen AoS.

As for Spider-Man and Dr. Strange, well....the Defenders aren't running into Spider-Man anytime soon, since he operates in Queens and that may not mean much if you aren't from New York or haven't been there, but Queens is quite a distance from Manhattan. In fact, you'd have less of a trip going from Manhattan to New Jersey by foot than you would going from Manhattan to Queens. New York City "seems" like everything is close together, but that's only because of the transit system.

And if I'm not mistaken, Rand and Stark Industries operate in completely different industries, right? The impression I got from Iron Fist was that Rand was a pharmaceutical company, while Stark Industries is tech-based.

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There was a killer twisting people's heads off in season 2 of Jessica Jones, but no one bothered to lift a finger to help her, despite her relationship to the killer being all over the news.

Are you referring to The Defenders or The Avengers? Yeah, it's a little weird that neither Danny nor Luke check up on her (perhaps they're too busy with whatever goes down in Luke Cage Season 2?) but for the Avengers, you've gotta figure they fight against world-ending threats. Aliens and robots. They don't really go around stomping out serial killers (even if they have superpowers, which, to the MCU, must be pretty mundane at this point).

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Nobody mentions things unless they are extremely vague about it, the Chitauri invading New York is called "The Event", while the Hulk is called "the big green guy". The closest thing to a cameo from any of the Avengers has been a Captain America Marvel Legends figure. The Sanctum Sanctorum is right there in Hell's Kitchen, and no one ever walks by it, and the Avengers Tower is not even featured in the skyline to any of these shows. Who wants to bet that the Defenders doesn't show up to help the Avengers protect New York once Thanos arrives?

Well, I wouldn't exactly say they're being "vague" about it. Daredevil Season 1 (and possibly Season 2, I can't remember) features news articles that straight up mention the "alien invasion" (keep in mind nobody would know what a 'Chitauri' is) and the Hulk and Abomination tearing apart Harlem. Several characters have conversations where they straight up talk about aliens invading, and the whole plot of DD Season 1 is even directly tied to the events of Avengers, since Wilson Fisk was able to rise to power by using his resources to repair Hell's Kitchen post-Avengers.

The Sanctum Santorum is located in Greenwich Village, which is about an hour walking distance away from Hell's Kitchen. It's even further from Harlem, which is about 2 hours away.

The Avengers tower is probably a budget constraint issue. If I'm not mistaken, they have to CGI in the Avengers tower every time they show the skyline in the movies. It's probably not cost-effective to do this every time they show the skyline in the TV shows (which is A LOT), so they don't even bother. And by now, it's a moot point since the Avengers are no longer based in Manhattan anyway.

I will admit, though, it'd be weird if the Netflix shows didn't at least reference Thanos and gang dropping into New York. But you've gotta figure that the Defenders are mostly active at night, and even then usually keep to themselves and their neck of the woods. The only one I could see actively getting involved in the fight against Thanos is Danny.

[Trivial Psychic]

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Originally Posted by frodotrout

i think everyone is forgetting one thing here, that is it's sony making this movie and every super hero movie they make sucks..... awesome pic of the x-men by the way

So...I take it you didn't like ANY of the Spider-Man movies...including Homecoming and the Raimi films?

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic

So...I take it you didn't like ANY of the Spider-Man movies...including Homecoming and the Raimi films?

Homecoming was made by Marvel, just distributed by Sony.

[Parademon1]

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Originally Posted by kenm2474

^^^^I agree. Its being said that MCU Phase 4 will implement Deadpool, Fantastic 4, and Xmen.

Edit: Also a little while back there was a Photo Shot of Hugh Jackman on the Infinity war set in regular cloths with his Wolverine Hairdo.
Sebastian Stan couldn't say much but said he talked with Hugh and Wolverine is on his mind for the MCU.

I for one hope he isn't in Infinity war. He died in Logan! He looked all aged & beat up due to Adamantium poisoning. Start a new X-Men universe with new actors & then bring em into the MCU. The next Logan/Wolverine actor should look the part & by that I mean be a short statured muscular guy in the 5'7 range or shorter.

Even w/o the gauntlet, Wolverine wouldn't last more than a few min if that going one on one with Thanos. Marvel writers have turned this guy from someone that back in the 80s, John Byrne days, it took months to heal from being run thru with a sword to nowfully regenerating from a droplet of blood.

Makes the character completely boring IMO when you know that no matter what injuries/damage he sustains in a battle, including decapitation or getting torn in half by the Hulk. If anyone needs a retcon it's this character & his seeming immortality & Godlike regenerative powers, same for Sabretooth & DP. All these weapon X subjects need to get toned down from the "we can recover from a nuke blast" dept to "a battle with the Hulk or Thor will kill me" level.

[Zorn88]

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Originally Posted by Parademon1

I for one hope he isn't in Infinity war. He died in Logan! He looked all aged & beat up due to Adamantium poisoning.

I am 100% confident that he is not in the movie.

BUT, I see no reason why he couldn't be in the movie. Logan is at the end of the line, so they really could do whatever they wanted and just say that Logan takes place sometime in the characters future.

[OliverHarris]

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Originally Posted by kenm2474

^^^^I agree. Its being said that MCU Phase 4 will implement Deadpool, Fantastic 4, and Xmen.

Edit: Also a little while back there was a Photo Shot of Hugh Jackman on the Infinity war set in regular cloths with his Wolverine Hairdo.
Sebastian Stan couldn't say much but said he talked with Hugh and Wolverine is on his mind for the MCU.

Listen , it will be completely beyond the edge, if Wolverine appears in MCU Phase 4 !?
Let's add the Justice League there !?)
You don't think so?

[Weapon X]

I can't believe anyone believed that set photo of Hugh Jackman. It was from The Wolverine.