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They don't need Spider-Man to make a great heist movie about two female antiheroes, They just need a good story, and so far they have a good team to do so.

I didn't say they needed Spider-Man, I just said the movie is going to be a train wreck. It's Sony. It's going to make the DC cinematic universe look like a masterpiece. Hell, they are already screwing up Venom.

Hell theyre gonna make ghost rider and elektra look like the best films every. Ever since spidey 3 ( which for all its faults is still more enjoyable to me than any of the current spider tween reboots though theres no better film than spider man 2 so far ) sony seems intent on bastardizing the spiderverse. Just put him working freelance for the bugle already as a FREAKIN ADULT ( instead of all these teeny bopper millenial things...ugh ) then we can get into some really good story areas. Just my opinion.

Uh no. That would be like saying the Adam West Batman is the best version ever.

HOmecoming is easily the best Spidey movie to date and is the most accurate as far as Stan Lee's character goes. It went beyond just being a super hero movie as it was also a slice of life coming to age story.

Also, it wouldn't make sense having Peter be an adult in the MCU because that would mean he would have had to have been Spider-Man for years.

What they need to do is not fuck this up so that Holland can grow up with the character so he can become a college year's Peter.

BTW, both Amazing movies were better than the third Raimi abomination. If for nothing else, for having Emma Stone in it and not Kirsten Dimwit.

Oh, and I don't get the hard on people have for Spider-Man 2. DOn't get me wrong, it's a great movie (despite not holding up well these days), but it was inferior to its predecessor. Too much emo Parker, MJ's hair suddenly became more blonde than red, too many Evil Dead screaming scenes, not enough quippage, and Peter unmasked himself in front of Doc Ock. I am so tired of the hero unmasking themselves in front of villains. It was retarded in Batman Returns, it is still retarded.

While I don't agree with what you said about Spider-Man 2 (and no amount of me arguing is gonna change your mind) I agree that the Cat/Sable movie is gonna more than likely be Gawd-Awful. Both are supporting characters at best, unable to hold down their own movie without Spidey or some other hero. Same reason I don't want a Black Widow movie; I have no problem with the character, but she has nothing really cool about her, and I don't even like James Bond movies, which I imagine is the way they'd take the movie, so I got no interest in seeing that. Sign me up for Larson's Cap'n Marvel though!

Come on there's no need to throw shade at Adam West, it's goofy as hell but I love his Batman because it's goofy. I'm not saying it is the best Batman but it still has its place in my heart.

He wasn't created yet based on the versions used in that picture.

Probably not, but I do like hearing why people love Spider-Man 2. Like I said, I don't have any ill thoughts towards it at all. It's one of the three Spider-Man movies I own. I just find it to be overhyped at times ever since it came out. Everyone back in the summer was like, "OH MY GOD THIS IS THE GREATEST COMIC BOOK MOVIE EVER!!" And I was all, "It's was excellent, but I prefer the first one. Defoe just made for a better villain compared to Molina."

Now I am a James Bond fan, I would love for a Black Widow movie. I just don't want a Black Widow movie with Johansen. She has no acting ability to hold a movie as its central star as both Ghost in the Shell and Lucy proved. She is far better as a supporting actress like she has been in all of the MCU stuff and in The Prestige.

I will never except that poor excuse of a criminal like Bob Kane selling out as a real Batman show.

I feel the same way about Carol Danvers Captain Marvel as you do about Black Widow. If I was an executive at Disney or Fox I would have put Black Widow, Mystique and Storm (at least) solo movies on the fast track the Monday after Wonder Woman hit theaters. Those 3 characters are just as well known as Wonder Woman was before her movie and there's plenty of good material in the comics to draw from. They could take a page from Deadpool and make a Black Widow solo movie on a modest budget. All the people like me would go see it and you could just ignore it.

Welllll, I dunno if I'd say Mystique was as well known as WW up until the first X-movie she was in :D I would definitely check out a Mystique or Storm movie though! To be a superhero movie, in my opinion, you either gotta have powers or a cool costume (I don't count Widow's outfit as a costume 'cause it's essentially a spy catsuit haha), otherwise I feel like I'm watching a Die Hard/ James Bond/ John Wick style movie where the protagonist just kicks butt, and for me that wears thin quickly...

The X-Men movies elevated Mystique and Storm a long time before the Wonder Woman movie came out this year. My mother knows who Mystique is. Mystique was a major player in the last three X-Men movies. I think they should recast the character, but I think Jason Aaron's "Get Mystique" would make for a good movie and there was the Mystique solo series years ago where Prof. X blackmailed her into doing good and she worked with a mutant named "Shortpack" who was the size of an action figure.

Mark Waid's recent run on Black Widow was excellent and there's some cool ideas in "Deadly Origin". Plus, a character like Black Widow could go on an adventure that is totally independent of the Avengers and you could drop it in anywhere in the continuity of the MCU. It could be a more personal story or she could stop a secret plot that endangeres the world but most people have no idea. The spy/espionage angle of Winter Soldier was one of the things people liked about that movie and it's still regarded as one of the better MCU movies.

I don't agree at all here. Johansson was praised for her performance in Lucy, with many arguing it showed she could carry a film, and I think it's true. Ghost in the Shell was just a disaster all around, unfair to blame her for that, she shouldn't have been cast for the role to begin with. Not to mention people said the same thing about Gal Gadot before WW.

I hope Art Adams has seen what a real woman looks like since he created that piece of artwork.

Wait, if we agree about Mystique's popularity, why are we arguing? :D Also that Shortpack guy sounds.... Interesting... Haha

I disagree. Also, Lucy was just a trailer trash wannabe Parasite Eve without anything that actually made Parasite Eve cool.

I didn't care for Lucy much myself, but she did fine as lead. She is a talented actress, give her a decent story and a good director and she will do fine. I mean her non MCU films mostly make money, she was 2016s most profitable actress. Contrast to Chris Hemsworth whose non-MCU films fail miserably, but no one questions his ability to lead a MCU film. If he can do it so can Johansson.

That is a some laughably bad reasoning there. A lot of actors have had very questionable careers until the modern superhero film fell into their laps, and a lot of them haven't been able to make financially successful films unless they are surrounded by spandex and CGI.

Chris Evans has had a bunch of non MCU roles fail miserably at the box office. Nobody will watch a Zoe Saldana film unless she is covered in green makeup or blue CGI. Hollywood had written off RDJ until Iron Man. Not an MCU character, but did anyone care what Ryan Reynolds was doing until Deadpool? Not if you look at his box office receipts. Hugh Jackman couldn't draw unless he was shirtless and waving his metal claws around...but all carry their comic book roles well, and we can't see anyone else in their place.

That doesn't mean that these actors and actresses weren't making good or critically acclaimed though...they just can't draw on their name alone. These days, people are less likely to spend their money on a film that is not part of a franchise or a spectacle, especially with all of the other outlets we have now digitally for film.

Do I think that a Black Widow movie could make money? Yes. Do I want to see a Black Widow movie though? No. She just hasn't been an intriguing character in the MCU thus far, and honestly, I don't think she is a strong enough character to carry a 2 hour film. Then again, I didn't think Ant Man was either (nor do I think Black Panther is...but we shall see on that one...) so the potential to be pleasantly surprised is there. However the character has been so dry and boring to this point, I'd be skeptical. No one has raved about her portrayal of the character thus far in all of the years she has been doing it, and those that have are either Widow fans who are desperate to see their favorite character represented in any fashion, or are Scar Jo fanboys (or girls) who get off on her husky voice and tight fitting outfits in the films.

You also run the risk of relying on Scar Jo's star power alone, which doesn't have a great track record unless she has a strong cast around her. Scar Jo has always been great in a supporting role and has had a lot of success with it. She is not a terrible actress (although "Lucy" was wet garbage on a steaming hot day, and her performance in it was not all that inspiring,) but I don't think she is capable of carrying a film on her own.

Let's be realistic here, while Wonder Woman was a step forward for female lead superhero films, and it is apparent that Hollywood wants to jump on that trend with all the female led superhero films being announced on a seemingly daily basis, let's be real...Black Widow IS NOT Wonder Woman. Not even close.

Only because you seem to have missed the point, given that your post largely makes exactly the point I'm making. Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Ryan Reynolds etc. were either nobodies or largely unsuccessful male leads, but they were given opportunities to lead superhero films despite that. People are happy to belief they have talent despite their failures. But people seem strangely reluctant to give Johansson, a woman with far more success than most of her male colleagues, that same benefit of the doubt. People assume she has no talent despite her successes.

Like I said, why are people so reluctant to give Johansson (or Gadot prior to WW) the benefit of the doubt, but Evans, RDJ etc get cast in leading roles and no one bats an eye?

It's your prerogative not to want a Black Widow film, of course. But that's really beside the point. There is obvious demand for one, and there is no real reason to argue that Johannson couldn't carry it, not when Marvel were willing to risk hundreds of millions on unknown actors like Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston and so forth.

It's also untrue to say no one has raved about her performance as Black Widow, people did rave about her in Winter Soldier, and people were furious when she was reduced to one dimensional love interest in AoU and largely inconsequential in CW.

I don't even like her as a person, but if Marvel are willing to gamble on Evans/Pratt/Hemsworth/Rudd then arguing for caution when it comes to Johansson leading smacks of sexism more than anything else.

Black Widow isn't Wonder Woman no, but so what? Doctor Strange and Thor had less public profile when their films were announced than Black Widow has now thanks to the MCU.

people talked heaps of crap about Wonder Woman, and I don't need to tell you how that turned out. Look at Guardians or Ant-Man, they've been doing better than Justice League and they weren't highly anticipated or well liked characters. What is so bad about Sony trying something different with d-listers? Its not like you're footing the cost for the movie.



alright, so I'm calling bullshit. Two characters who you can have carte blanche with are much easier to breathe life into as opposed to a character that has a giant fan base and any subtle mis-step and the fans throw tantrums (spider man and batman fans I'm looking at you).

And as for Black Widow, she's got a history that is more than just being a spy, she's practically the Russian Cap who went nomad and never went back, that right there is much more interesting to me than some rich dude in a transformer-esque suit crying over his riches for the 4th time.

Black Widow will not have a movie. She nor the actress is Blockbuster. Can anyone really say she, Scar Jo is a good actress? She is hot trash.

Black Widow is not very interesting. People want these companies to sacrifice millions for the sake of identity politics. Infinity War will be it for comic movies, then the bubble will burst. Too much, too soon. We will see inklings of this inflected in the new Star Wars.

Shame movies no longer care about who fits the role. Back in the 90's and 80's, athletic females would seemingly get the action role....now all that be damned. There was this movie with Angie Jolie called "Salt" a few years back, while it had decent moments, Jolie looked terrible. She could barely run...just the wrong actress for the role, but she was caster for her big name.

You could have put Susie Q as Wonder Women, and it would do well. The big test will be a part 2 and 3, but as stated, the boom will end sooner than later.

Anyone who thinks identity politics is a valid criticism of anything isn't worth listening to.

I wouldn’t mind a Black Widow film, however, the scale of the MCU would have to drop dramatically. Look at what each film has dealt with in Phase 3, and tell me where Widow could fit in. I think Kevin Feige and team were right to introduce Captain Marvel as their first solo female film. If Phase 4 scales back a bit, drop a Black Widow film in and see what happens, but between Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Spider-Man: Homecoming 2, Doctor Strange 2, Black Panther 2, Captain Marvel 2, New Avengers films, Ant-Man and the Wasp possible third film, the possibility of Disney acquiring 20th Century fox and including the Fantastic 4 and X-Men it’s very hard to see where she could fit in.

I agree ! Certain characters won't have their own movies due to the fact they just aren't popular enough.... as far as acting talent goes with casting certain stars, well that won't change anytime soon. They want overly attractive people portraying these fictional characters.

I recall i got a good laugh when they casted Tom cruise for Jack Reacher. In the actual book Reacher was supposed to be a 6'5 large male Not guy who 5 foot 7 in his late 50s... movies suffer because of casting exactly like this

With all do respect, comic book films aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. If we keep getting quality, we will keep getting films. If Infinity War is the hit it’s expected to be critically and financially, there will be many more to come. I’m not trying to argue or blast anyone’s opinion, but the best hasn’t even come yet. They have not peaked and at least in Marvel’s case they have a plan and stories they want brought to life. There is no superhero fatigue, and until there is a drastic change that talk should fade because it just isn’t valid.

Cabin in the Woods disagrees with you.

However, the problem is all of the Hemsworths just pick terrible movies to be in. They think they can get by on their looks like the douche who was in the Hunger Games series. Hell, there was a movie I believe last year where Chris Hemsworth's entire purpose in the movie was to show off his body to the wife and they did his scenes in slow motion. WTF? As for Ghostbusters, that movie failed because Sony responded to the complaints in a childish manner. They doomed their own film.

I thought the Thanos with IG was a Walmart exclusive?

True, but that's because those movies were well written.

Have you not seen Sony's track record? They are so concerned with setting up the sequel these days they forget to make a movie. Had Marvel not been involved with Homecoming it would have just been Amazing 2 all over again.

Agreed. I don't see anyone asking when the drama or horror genres are going to end. Why should we ask the same of super hero movies?

I don't know what you guys talking about but IMO Chris Hemsworth was hilarious in the new Ghostbuster movie. Rush is also one of my fav movies, but IMO the guy who plays Niki Lauda totally steals that movie away from Hemsworth.

I am starting to like him more than the Juggernaut wave red Deadpool... not with the venom head and hands though... just regular black and white Deadpool with those pink katanas... this color scheme is just more visually striking than the other deadpool costumes IMO.

to this day still my favorite of all the SpiderMan movies...