[Horus]

It's strange they are not only announcing a second wave before seeing sales on the first wave but also announcing so many different figures at once. Yikes. Cart, meet horse.

[Justin Playfair]

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Originally Posted by StudioOneTwelve

Been waiting for a classic (non episode-specific) 1/12 Janeway for years and years. I guess I can wait a bit longer. I MAY pick this one up just because it's the only 1/12 offering available but Nacelle needs to get a few more standard looks out before they continue with all the wild swings. I get doing episode specific looks but this is what killed the Super7 Ultimates Simpsons line. People want their classic looks out the gate and then we can get into off the beaten path specific looks.

Speaking of Super 7…they started with the PRIMEST of characters for their Next Gen Ultimates line. Did that work out well for them?

[themadbubbler]

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Originally Posted by Justin Playfair

Speaking of Super 7…they started with the PRIMEST of characters for their Next Gen Ultimates line. Did that work out well for them?

Super7 grossly overcharges for mediocre figures with spotty quality control- it's not a valid comparison. Deep cuts are cool, but waves that are 80% deep cuts from the start of the line will tank it. Like, Weyoun is a good choice- important supporting character who has never had an action figure- great choice. More of a "medium cut." A good wave should have a few medium cuts, and one or two deep cuts, as well as a handful of... prominent cuts? AT least at the start of the line. While it's great for collectors to know that a line will go deep, it's also important to let them know that they'll be able to set up interesting displays that represent the series' and films. Like, it would be nice to know they'd actually get to all of the main characters from Voyager in their line, since no company since Playmates has. Like, Tuvix is cool, but you need to have Tuvok and Neelix to display with him.

[Skoob]

Here is the link to Nacelle's Star Trek page. For now at least, it bounces to their home page.

https://nacellestore.com/collections/star-trek

[Justin Playfair]

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Originally Posted by themadbubbler

Super7 grossly overcharges for mediocre figures with spotty quality control- it's not a valid comparison. Deep cuts are cool, but waves that are 80% deep cuts from the start of the line will tank it. Like, Weyoun is a good choice- important supporting character who has never had an action figure- great choice. More of a "medium cut." A good wave should have a few medium cuts, and one or two deep cuts, as well as a handful of... prominent cuts? AT least at the start of the line. While it's great for collectors to know that a line will go deep, it's also important to let them know that they'll be able to set up interesting displays that represent the series' and films. Like, it would be nice to know they'd actually get to all of the main characters from Voyager in their line, since no company since Playmates has. Like, Tuvix is cool, but you need to have Tuvok and Neelix to display with him.

QC or no…other Super 7 Ultimates lines have done well, with some very deep cuts. But let’s look at this overall situation. McFarlane, Playmates, and Super 7 have all actually done as you asked, and started out of the gate with all heavy hitters. And they all crashed and burned spectacularly. Now, here comes Nacelle. Are they supposed to follow this same pattern that resulted in disaster for three other companies?! They risked being dismissed right off the bat. The only sane way to approach this market was from an alternative direction. They’ve seen other companies do EXACTLY what posters on this thread have wanted, and it was long walk/short pier for them. They almost have no choice but to do this or end up a laughing stock using a strategy the industry KNOWS doesn’t work for Trek anymore…

[Dolemite]

FINALLY, a Kirk figure that comes with eggs and dill weed.

[IzzyTipsy]

That Kirk figure is fire. Can't wait to get him to go with my Black Series figures.

Hopefully they do indeed release Janeway in that outfit. Could use a hot Kate Mulgrew kicking as son my Sci Fi shelf.

[themadbubbler]

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Originally Posted by Justin Playfair

QC or no…other Super 7 Ultimates lines have done well, with some very deep cuts.

Except most of them haven't done well, with figures being heavily marked down online, some well below half price, and they've been cutting down production numbers drastically (With some Ultimates lines being cancelled altogether). Thundercats is about the only Ultimates line that hasn't crashed and burned recently, and that's mainly because there is no other competition for Thundercats toys right now.

[themadbubbler]

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Originally Posted by Justin Playfair

But let’s look at this overall situation. McFarlane, Playmates, and Super 7 have all actually done as you asked, and started out of the gate with all heavy hitters. And they all crashed and burned spectacularly.

Politely, though, that's not what I said at all- I said they need to mix it up, and not focus on deep cuts. For example, here would be some good, balanced waves of 10 figures, in my opinion:

Wave 1:

-Ezri Dax
-Weyoun
-Spock (TMP Vulcan robes)
-Captain Sulu
-7 of 9 (silver uniform)
-Emergency Medical Hologram Doctor
-Captain Jellico
-Data as Sherlock Holmes
-Harry Mudd
-Captain Pike (TOS, in Starfleet uniform)

Wave 2:

-Geordi LaForge as Watson
-Dr. Moriarty
-Romulan Commander (TOS)
-Kirk (Generations)
-Grand Nagus Zek
-Odo
-Kazon warrior
-Capt. Janeway
-Chekov (Star Trek 4 Earth outfit)
-Salt Vampire

[IzzyTipsy]

Ultimates has generally crashed and burned outside of TMNT and Thundercats, it feels like.

Brian basically said that his Ultimates GI Joe line is redundant and thus sold poorly because of Classified.

Also didn't help that alot of the first figures in some lines were pure crap. Look at Alice, for example. Only Alice action figure around and it was total garbage.

Then you had Star Trek which for some reason put Guinan in wave 1 and then repacked her in wave 2. Nobody wants a carry forward of Guinan. And then the line immediately died, leaving people with yet again no complete bridge crew.

[IzzyTipsy]

Really they should have started Wave 1 off with Kirk. Yes, yes, every line does, but this Kirk seems like the PERFECT introduction figure to get someone into a line. Then maybe have Malcolm McDowell's character from Generations in the wave as well so he has someone to go with.

IMHO, they should have done two figures from each of the original 4 series and maybe added in a newer series character or two. So far this looks like two waves leave you with a mish mash of figures who can't even form a scene with each other?

[Darth Revan]

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Originally Posted by caitlindevi

Like most modern toylines they collapse due to the overwhelming flood of negativity from a small number of so called fan communities, even if the product is well designed and produced.
Trek figures have a massive potential, just like Star wars figures, but its constantly dragged down by people being negative and whining about "things aren't what I want" or "not how i remember" rather than just enjoying the products that are being made.
If nothing was being made then the same people would still moan about that too.
Enjoy the figures that are there, support the creators, share what you love about things. Rather than saying something is rubbish, not what I want or that theres something thats not good, then share the issues and what you think would improve things. Believe me, even critisim can be good its its followed by sensible and clear ways to make things better

Right, we made these companies (who refuse to listen to fans who've been into Trek for 40+ years), completely ignore our suggestions. The playmates line would have been successful if they had listened to somebody like me who knows a lot about Star Trek and also generally what sells. If Kirk Spock and Khan had been from the original series, they would have sold more, The Wrath of Khan is a great movie but the ship was from TOS as was the communicator. Plus the 2280's in Star Trek didn't have the bright happy colors like TOS and TNG did, the earlier TOS movie era was mostly a Red/Maroon & Beige hellscape with a few muted blues and greys here and there. They could have at least tried something like these two pictures.

[Horus]

[QUOTE=Darth Revan;943022]Right, we made these companies (who refuse to listen to fans who've been into Trek for 40+ years), completely ignore our suggestions. The playmates line would have been successful if they had listened to somebody like me who knows a lot about Star Trek and also generally what sells. If Kirk Spock and Khan had been from the original series, they would have sold more, The Wrath of Khan is a great movie but the ship was from TOS as was the communicator. Plus the 2280's in Star Trek didn't have the bright happy colors like TOS and TNG did, the earlier TOS movie era was mostly a Red/Maroon & Beige hellscape with a few muted blues and greys here and there. They could have at least tried something like these two pictures.



I'm sorry but when you see so many companies not able to make Trek work you just have to admit that Trek doesn't hold the popularity it once had to support an action figure line. The Fandom is so split on what they want they literally will only buy the exact things they are into and ignore the rest. Blaming successful companies for not listening to you is extremely myopic and arrogant. I love Star Trek but at this point I have to admit there isn't the demand for a full scale action figure line of Star Trek and isn't because they didn't listen to you.

[IzzyTipsy]

I feel like most Star Trek fans are fine with the Playmates figures they already have. Much like most 3.75 Joe collectors are fine with the O-Ring versions they already have.

[Darth Revan]

[QUOTE=Horus;943038]

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Originally Posted by Darth Revan

Right, we made these companies (who refuse to listen to fans who've been into Trek for 40+ years), completely ignore our suggestions. The playmates line would have been successful if they had listened to somebody like me who knows a lot about Star Trek and also generally what sells. If Kirk Spock and Khan had been from the original series, they would have sold more, The Wrath of Khan is a great movie but the ship was from TOS as was the communicator. Plus the 2280's in Star Trek didn't have the bright happy colors like TOS and TNG did, the earlier TOS movie era was mostly a Red/Maroon & Beige hellscape with a few muted blues and greys here and there. They could have at least tried something like these two pictures.



I'm sorry but when you see so many companies not able to make Trek work you just have to admit that Trek doesn't hold the popularity it once had to support an action figure line. The Fandom is so split on what they want they literally will only buy the exact things they are into and ignore the rest. Blaming successful companies for not listening to you is extremely myopic and arrogant. I love Star Trek but at this point I have to admit there isn't the demand for a full scale action figure line of Star Trek and isn't because they didn't listen to you.

I'm right. There's that.

[caitlindevi]

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Originally Posted by User897

LOL. Anyone else wanna pick caitlindevi's post apart? Frankly I am too tired.

No need. You've obviously had too much of a hard day hating things online and your widdle fingies are sore from all the keyboard hammering.
You go have a lie down and dream about 'the good old days when toys were good'

All my post was saying is if you're gonna critise things, Explain why you don't like something and then give a reasonable method of improving things.

Don't let me keep you from your hard work stopping them goats crossing the bridge you live under

[User897]

Aww, how cute. @caitlindevi's little feelers got hurt, lol.

[Darth Revan]

I find it funny that these people joined years ago but have maybe a couple of dozen posts like they're toy company interns ordered to troll people. If they can't face criticism for easily fixable situations, then get the fuck out of the toy business.

[User897]

Hear hear!

[caitlindevi]

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Originally Posted by Darth Revan

I find it funny that these people joined years ago but have maybe a couple of dozen posts like they're toy company interns ordered to troll people. If they can't face criticism for easily fixable situations, then get the fuck out of the toy business.

Thats my whole point!
Criticism is fine so long as it comes with a suggestion for a solution.
Thats called Constructive critisim and is really useful.

[caitlindevi]

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Originally Posted by User897

Aww, how cute. @caitlindevi's little feelers got hurt, lol.

What are you talking about?

Are you reading what I'm typing?

Hello, is this thing on?

[caitlindevi]

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Originally Posted by Darth Revan

Right, we made these companies (who refuse to listen to fans who've been into Trek for 40+ years), completely ignore our suggestions. The playmates line would have been successful if they had listened to somebody like me who knows a lot about Star Trek and also generally what sells. If Kirk Spock and Khan had been from the original series, they would have sold more, The Wrath of Khan is a great movie but the ship was from TOS as was the communicator. Plus the 2280's in Star Trek didn't have the bright happy colors like TOS and TNG did, the earlier TOS movie era was mostly a Red/Maroon & Beige hellscape with a few muted blues and greys here and there. They could have at least tried something like these two pictures.

So Let me see if I'm getting what you're saying here.

Your issue is toy companies have been ignoring what fans what for 40 years, but then you say doing the characters from probably the most popular Trek movie in Movie accurate costumes isn't what people want.
Then suggest doing uniform colour changes based on uniform colours that weren't used in those films...

And you think the fandom wouldn't be up in arms about that because you 'Know a Lot about Trek' and 'Know what Generally Sells'?
Why aren't you producing these toy lines then?
Claiming you know more about Trek than the people at Playmates whose job it is to literally know their stuff and talk directly to the people at Paramount/CBS and/or the production teams/actors, is a smidge egotistical.

That is unless, of course, you are a member of the production team or actor on Trek where you knowledge would be superior.

If knowing what generally sells and knowing a lot about the thing the toy line is about worked all the time, toy lines would all be massively popular.

Saying 'Here are the bridge crew at $10 each' is just not going to happen and here are just a couple of big reasons why

1- Production costs - Figures cost money to produce. That cost keeps rising, thats why figures prices get higher.
Yes if more of each figure is made then the production costs for each can be lowered and then they can be sold for cheaper. But unless you're HAsbro or mattel producing figures in the 100,000s of each is just not happening.
Even production runs of 5000 of each figure for smaller companies is rare these days. Thats why the costs you pay seem high, Its all relative.

2- If you do the whole bridge crew in the first wave...then what?
The line would then have to be lesser known characters that fewer people would want, wouldn't sell and lead to shelf warmers, lost sales and lost money.
Spreading the main bridge crew out between waves helps, but then if people only want the bridge crew and not the non main characters you're left again with poor sales figures and shelf warmer as well as people complaining why the figures people want aren't included in that wave.

People are going to complain whatever.
Constructive critisim is helpful and can be acted upon, but can't always be, depending on the sales/marketing strategy being used.

[User897]

I commend Nacelle for not (so far) offering figures from the horrible abrams/kurtzman fanfic garbage. If I remember correctly, Nacelle's license goes to 2005. We can hopefully leave all of the crap to Hiya, who apparently are pretty immune to losing sales. I'm sure they'll make up the losses with their Godzilla figures.

[WallySparks]

while its cool for the new Captain Jellico figure aka Ronny Cox to be included with Picard's pet fish in a wall, wouldnt the pet fish in a wall accessory make more sense if it was included with a Picard figure?

[themadbubbler]

Does anyone know when wave 1 is supposed to be released? I'll probably scoop up Weyoun, at least, to see how the figures are, and if he scales well with the Art Asylum figures. If the lineup and/or price doesn't change, I'm probably down for 2 figures from each of the announced waves. I'm guessing Kirk is going to be deluxe, though- if Nacelle can really pull of selling him with a horse for the $30.00 base price, I WILL be impressed.