[SymbiSpidey]

And honestly, what you're telling me is that more people want an Astral Projection Doctor Strange that isn't even accurate to the movie it's based off of, more than they'd want any of the non-BP characters from the movie. And to that, I'd say bullshit.

[VashTS]

With HAsbros new facial scan tech, there is not real need for figuarts. The only reason to get figuarts is if they load on accessories and extra heads and expressions.

THose THor figures look sick. Might be the best wave of legends I ever saw. Every package is packed with accessories.

That was not the best con, but a pretty good high quality one that shows an incredible improvement in action figures, and what can be done with them by Hasbro.

Love the SDCC panel and the teasing of Strong Guy only to say, he's not the BAF.

[xjuza]

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But do you see any of those people complaining attacking fellow Arkers for disagreeing with them? No.

And jumping off of Kain's point, do you realize how many people became fans of a character due to exposure from outside of the comic books? Just because they haven't read a Black Panther comic doesn't mean they can't be disappointed with the wave. That's just silly.

its fine they are complaining but bringing race into action figures is a bit stupid and should be called out on.

[xjuza]

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And honestly, what you're telling me is that more people want an Astral Projection Doctor Strange that isn't even accurate to the movie it's based off of, more than they'd want any of the non-BP characters from the movie. And to that, I'd say bullshit.

who said that? when ant man got his wave how many figures were from the movie again? i forget cause there were sooooooooo many of them from the ant man movie(that isn't even accurate to the movie) and this whole BP wave(shown) gets one BP cause he is black is just as you said bullshit.

[SymbiSpidey]

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its fine they are complaining but bringing race into action figures is a bit stupid and should be called out on.

But race is an integral part of both Black Panther the character and this movie. And merchandising is a huge portion of what makes the MCU the juggernaut that it is.

Why else do you think characters get drastic design changes from movie to movie? Because it's easier to sell toys of an old character if you give them a new costume.

Part of what makes characters like Iron-Man and Batman a merchandising gold mine is the fact that their characters necessitate costume changes on a regular basis due to them constantly upgrading their tech and gear.

[sh002]

Close to finishing the team by mixing in old and new ML. The ones coming in are X-Force Psylocke that I'll repaint, Marvel Select Colossus, and Toy Biz ML Iceman. I'm going to try the hoverchair mod for Toy Biz ML Professor X. All I need is a new Storm in white costume. The Toy Biz version's head is too small and the figure is probably too short. If Hasbro released a new Beast, Gambit, Colossus, Iceman, or Professor X with Jim Lee era looks then I'd buy them too.

[xjuza]

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But race is an integral part of both Black Panther the character and this movie. And merchandising is a huge portion of what makes the MCU the juggernaut that it is.

Why else do you think characters get drastic design changes from movie to movie? Because it's easier to sell toys of an old character if you give them a new costume.

Part of what makes characters like Iron-Man and Batman a marketing gold mine is the fact that their characters necessitate costume changes on a regular basis due to them constantly upgrading their tech and gear.

if they believed it why would they chose to make a fully covered head to toe character not showing any skin to rep a black hero? race has nothing to do with it his design is cool thats all anyone needs to know about him , not that he is black or what ever you are trying to say. but w.e think what you want

[xjuza]

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Close to finishing the team by mixing in old and new ML. The ones coming in are X-Force Psylocke that I'll repaint, Marvel Select Colossus, and Toy Biz ML Iceman. I'm going to try the hoverchair mod for Toy Biz ML Professor X. All I need is a new Storm in white costume. The Toy Biz version's head is too small and the figure is probably too short. If Hasbro released a new Beast, Gambit, Colossus, Iceman, or Professor X with Jim Lee era looks then I'd buy them too.

i think if they do an update jean she should have that ponytail look

[SymbiSpidey]

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who said that? when ant man got his wave how many figures were from the movie again? i forget cause there were sooooooooo many of them from the ant man movie(that isn't even accurate to the movie) and this whole BP wave(shown) gets one BP cause he is black is just as you said bullshit.

Ant-Man is a bad example. Who else would you make toys of from that movie besides Ant-Man and Yellowjacket?

That wave as a whole is an exception to the rule. Most movie tie-in Marvel Legends waves have at least 3 MCU characters. The Black Panther movie has no shortage of toyetic designs to use for figures.

And it's great that you bring up the inaccuracy of movie Ant-Man because the next point I was going to make is that Hasbro for sure knows which characters are going to play a prominent role in the movies. You don't realize how closely Hasbro works with Disney/Marvel when it comes to producing MCU figures, and part of the reason we got inaccurate figures for Civil War Spidey and Ant-Man is because they were based off of concept designs that didn't make it to the final production.

[SymbiSpidey]

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if they believed it why would they chose to make a fully covered head to toe character not showing any skin to rep a black hero? race has nothing to do with it his design is cool thats all anyone needs to know about him , not that he is black or what ever you are trying to say. but w.e think what you want

A black superhero has to be showing skin at all times in order for race to be important to his character? You sound ridiculous.

BTW the last Black Panther figure we got DID come with an alternate T'Challa head just so nobody could make any mistakes about what race he belonged to.

[xjuza]

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Ant-Man is a bad example. Who else would you make toys of from that movie besides Ant-Man and Yellowjacket?

That wave as a whole is an exception to the rule. Most movie tie-in Marvel Legends waves have at least 3 MCU characters. The Black Panther movie has no shortage of toyetic designs to use for figures.

And it's great that you bring up the inaccuracy of movie Ant-Man because the next point I was going to make is that Hasbro for sure knows which characters are going to play a prominent role in the movies. You don't realize how closely Hasbro works with Disney/Marvel when it comes to producing MCU figures, and part of the reason we got inaccurate figures for Civil War Spidey and Ant-Man is because they were based off of concept designs that didn't make it to the final production.

yea you can only say that cause you seen the movie there was past wasps too and an accurate antman to be made, how do you know BP character arent just background ones?

[kylactus]

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if they believed it why would they chose to make a fully covered head to toe character not showing any skin to rep a black hero? race has nothing to do with it his design is cool thats all anyone needs to know about him , not that he is black or what ever you are trying to say. but w.e think what you want

BP is an African king, It would be kind of dumb if he wasn't black. I'd argue that, more than most, his race is integral to who he is. As far as the reason for namor and black bolt being in the wave: they're all illuminati, and with reed coming out too that puts us one professor and a beast away from the whole group so I'd call it a win...even though speedo- hobo namor is a bit of a strange choice. They should have just packed the alternate head with the Walgreens namor and called it good. I don't remember anyone complaining there namor wasn't nude enough.

[xjuza]

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A black superhero has to be showing skin in order for race to be important to his character? You sound ridiculous.

no race even mattering is ridiculous you SJW

[SymbiSpidey]

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Originally Posted by xjuza

yea you can only say that cause you seen the movie there was past wasps too and an accurate antman to be made, how do you know BP character arent just background ones?

You think Marvel would cast A-list actors to play background roles in their movies? Lol

[xjuza]

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BP is an African king, It would be kind of dumb if he wasn't black. I'd argue that, more than most, his race is integral to who he is. As far as the reason for namor and black bolt being in the wave: they're all illuminati, and with reed coming out too that puts us one professor and a beast away from the whole group so I'd call it a win...even though speedo- hobo namor is a bit of a strange choice. They should have just packed the alternate head with the Walgreens namor and called it good. I don't remember anyone complaining there namor wasn't nude enough.

i never said anything was wrong with him being black im saying whining about white characters poping into to his wave is stupid.

[GizmoTron]

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I don't think people have issue with the lack of MCU figures so much as the fact that at least 3 of the characters aren't based within Black Panther's mythology outside of them all being Illuminati members.

That's like making an Avengers wave where 4 of the 6 figures are Wolverine, Storm, Beast and Rogue. I mean, yeah, they were all Avengers, but at this point you might as well call it an X-Men wave.

Yes, but the argument is also that the rest of the BP cast aren't being included because of their race or whatever excuse, but that's not really the case. I think it makes their absence more noticeable to some people, but not unique among how sometimes randomly thrown together ML waves usually are.

The Illuminati is at least a theme that's played a big part in Marvel for the past decade or so, and that's at least some connection to Black Panther's story, plus have probably been in demand from fans for some time. Besides, I think Namor for instance relates just as well if not better to BP than the past few Captain America waves which are filled with guys Cap may have punched in the face once or twice. Or the Allfather and Hulkbuster waves in which half or more of the characters had nothing to do with the Avengers.

[xjuza]

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You think Marvel would cast A-list actors to play background roles in their movies? Lol

well if you see actors rather then character feels bad for you man, all i know is i want to see BP not his bodyguards, idk if they are A-actors or not if they arent in the role people actually go to the movie they want to see who cares? just background fillers to build the world. its like back to ant man being in uproar over no michael pena figure in the wave or michael douglas, people didnt go to the movie to see them they went to see ant man in action the rest was just a bonus.

[SymbiSpidey]

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Yes, but the argument is also that the rest of the BP cast aren't being included because of their race or whatever excuse, but that's not really the case. I think it makes their absence more noticeable to some people, but not unique among how sometimes randomly thrown together ML waves usually are.

I don't think anybody here has made the argument that Hasbro/Disney/Marvel/whoever is going out of their way to not include black characters in the wave.


I think, more than likely, they simply don't realize or understand the significance the movie has culturally within the superhero movie market. All over Facebook/Twitter/Instagram, I see other black people getting excited to see this movie due to the predominantly black cast, but then when you walk into Wal-Mart to pick up figures from the movie you see.....Namor? Iron-Man? Black Bolt?!

I'm cool with an Illuminati Wave of Legends, but it shouldn't replace an actual Black Panther wave.

[xjuza]

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I don't think anybody here has made the argument that Hasbro/Disney/Marvel/whoever is going out of their way to not include black characters in the wave.


I think, more than likely, they simply don't realize or understand the significance the movie has culturally within the superhero movie market. All over Facebook/Twitter/Instagram, I see other black people getting excited to see this movie due to the predominantly black cast, but then when you walk into Wal-Mart to pick up figures from the movie you see.....Namor? Iron-Man? Black Bolt?!

I'm cool with an Illuminati Wave of Legends, but it shouldn't replace an actual Black Panther wave.

so every avenger wave should be avengers only no villains? and ever black super hero should be black characters only(even tho the movie hasnt come out yet and the world isnt built yet to show off how important the character is seeing how its only being brought up cause its coming out near the movies release right?) or atleast 5 out of 6-7 of them? is what you are saying. find it kind of funny that thor is on what 3 movies and no warriors three movie figures are made (which in the first two were pretty cool in) but no back ground char in BP and everyone complains

[Black Arbor]

Want the REAL reason why we aren't getting more MCU Black Panther legends? Because Black Panther is, more than likely, gonna be the only hero in the BP movie. If back in 2014 Hasbro had only made, say, a movie Drax and Rocket everyone would've pooped out thier peeholes. Know why? 'Cause the Guardians are a team of 5 and you need all those characters, whereas Black Panther will most likely work alone in this movie, barring some generic soldiers helping (but have we EVER gotten MCU cannon fodder figures? I don't think so.) Hell, we're lucky we even got a movie Vulture given the track record with movie villain figures, so don't expect a movie Klaw or Man Ape anytime soon. Sorry, but thems the breaks. It's got nothing to do with political correctness or anything, it's got everything to do with tooling $$$

[Pravus Prime]

To redirect the discussion slightly, sometimes I do wonder if the production cycle also makes a difference in the assortments.

I recall there being an interview with someone from Hasbro who brought up Ant-Man's movie inaccuracy and the lack of any other movie figures with him and the response was that while the movie can continue tweaking until the week before the film comes out, Hasbro doesn't have that luxury and has a hard deadline that they have to make their production schedules. Because Yellowjacket went through a lot of redesigns just like Ant-man, they ended up making the call to go with Ant-man because they figured that was probably not going to change much more (But they were wrong).

With Guardians it was vendors wanting Iron Man to be in that wave as an anchor to help with such an "unknown" team and Nova, who ended up being one of ML's best selling figures.

Personally I was hoping for another wave of both Thor and BP, to help pad out both comic and movie figures from their lineage. I'm with everyone else, I'd like a lot of BP movie figures (Well, lot being more then 2, not whole waves), not just T'Challa.

[SymbiSpidey]

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well if you see actors rather then character feels bad for you man, all i know is i want to see BP not his bodyguards, idk if they are A-actors or not if they arent in the role people actually go to the movie they want to see who cares? just background fillers to build the world. its like back to ant man being in uproar over no michael pena figure in the wave or michael douglas, people didnt go to the movie to see them they went to see ant man in action the rest was just a bonus.

You have it completely wrong. People come to superhero to get attached to characters and see what challenges they have to face. Good action in movies isn't solely centered around how many visual effects you can throw on the screen or what cool designs you can shove in. It's also based on buildup, which itself is created through creating characters that people care about.

The airport fight in Captain America Civil War loses all substance and significance if we don't know anything about the characters involved in the fight and where they're coming from.

And once again, I have to stress because you didn't get it the first time Michael Douglas and Michael Pena from Ant-Man are not interesting character designs that lend themselves to exciting action figures.

[Panther]

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well if you see actors rather then character feels bad for you man, all i know is i want to see BP not his bodyguards, idk if they are A-actors or not if they arent in the role people actually go to the movie they want to see who cares? just background fillers to build the world. its like back to ant man being in uproar over no michael pena figure in the wave or michael douglas, people didnt go to the movie to see them they went to see ant man in action the rest was just a bonus.

I'm going to see Black Panther and ALL of his supporting cast. There's no way you can compare Luis to Killmonger, Okoye, Nakia, M'Baku, Klaw, Ayo, and Shuri. These are characters with very rich history in the Black Panther comics.

[xjuza]

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You have it completely wrong. People come to superhero to get attached to characters and see what challenges they have to face. Good action in movies isn't solely centered around how many visual effects you can throw on the screen or what cool designs you can shove in. It's also based on buildup, which itself is created through creating characters that people care about.

The airport fight in Captain America Civil War loses all substance and significance if we don't know anything about the characters involved in the fight and where they're coming from.

And once again, I have to stress because you didn't get it the first time Michael Douglas and Michael Pena from Ant-Man are not interesting character designs that lend themselves to exciting action figures.

and who from BP has a interesting hero outfit i would say villain but you left out yellow jacket , so should do the same for BP movie.

[xjuza]

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I'm going to see Black Panther and ALL of his supporting cast. There's no way you can compare Luis to Killmonger, Okoye, Nakia, M'Baku, Klaw, Ayo, and Shuri. These are characters with very rich history in the Black Panther comics.

thats good for you but not everyone knows who those characters are while BP himself is alittle bit more well known and has a sick hero costume to back it. and didnt claw die like in avengers age of ultron? and side question are you saying if BP didnt have any figures made like ever it would effect you seeing the moive? cause it seems like thats what alot of people complaining about with the lack of BP characters being in an action figure wave.