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Ghost Story 10-01-2010 06:32 PM

DCIH is DEAD!! Latest News
 
Doc Owen over at Action Figure Times posted the answers to his questions to Matty and got a very telling response about DCIH.

If you don’t read this guy, you should. He has great stuff and posts A LOT!

Here is the link to his column.
AFT- League of Extraordinary Toymen!

He is right it is a real shame about this line.

Crazy Jetty 10-01-2010 06:50 PM

I don't see how that justifies "DCIH is DEAD!!" Overreact much?
Seems to say nothing about the line's fate. Just that retailers are uncommited at this time.

Ghost Story 10-01-2010 06:56 PM

except without those orders they don't plan on making even some of the prototypes we have seen already. So without those orders, they won't produce, if they don't produce then the line is dead.

Crazy Jetty 10-01-2010 11:30 PM

Again, not seeing the justification for the over-reaction.

Yes, if retailers do not order, then the line is dead. But the way you speak is as though it's absolute 100% certain that no one will ever have anything to do with this line ever again, and Mattel has officially declaired it dead.

All they said is that retailers are uncommited to continuing the line. There's nothing to suggest that it's over, and there's nothing to suggest that Mattel isn't still trying. Hell, Hasbro tries for years to get a retailer to commit to a TF exclusive (The Seacons a prime example).
There's nothing to say that six months from now, after all other outlets have completely dropped this line, that Target won't snatch it up as another store exclusive line. That's what they did to the completely failing JLU line. And once everyone else backed out from it, Target snatched it up as the only retailer for it, and now it's a pretty decent success.
There's also nothing to say that Mattel won't go back to the drawing board, and try to overhaul the line from complete scratch (New body designs, accessories, ect), and continue it on in another form, after a year's rest.

So, from this standpoint, I fail to see how this line is dead. (On it's last legs, I won't argue with you on that.)

Saint Phe 10-01-2010 11:57 PM

I think it IS, in fact, dead. At least in it's current form. They'll have to completely revolutionize it and bring it up to par with Marvel Universe. Which Mattel just can't quite seem to do. Maybe they'll dig deep and pull it out just in time to really get the Green Lantern movie figures right. Maybe.

Autobot_Goldbug 10-02-2010 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Story (Post 73038)
except without those orders they don't plan on making even some of the prototypes we have seen already. So without those orders, they won't produce, if they don't produce then the line is dead.

This is old news.
Not to mention Walmart has re-ordered them for Xmas.
So did Meijer, a midwest grocery/retail store chain.
Both of them had DCIH clearanced before.

Saint Phe 10-02-2010 08:51 AM

I'm just curious, Goldbug; have any of the new shipment of DCIH at your Walmart been sold? One of my local Walmarts got 4 pegs about a month ago, and not a single one is missing. Meanwhile, the Marvel Universe figures were stocked at the same time, disappeared, were restocked, and have steadily been disappearing again. Is that just my area?

Autobot_Goldbug 10-02-2010 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Saint Phe (Post 73124)
I'm just curious, Goldbug; have any of the new shipment of DCIH at your Walmart been sold? One of my local Walmarts got 4 pegs about a month ago, and not a single one is missing. Meanwhile, the Marvel Universe figures were stocked at the same time, disappeared, were restocked, and have steadily been disappearing again. Is that just my area?

It must be just your area.
Most of them have sold. There are no more Batman or Deathstroke or Earth-2 Robin.

pud333 10-04-2010 12:43 AM

Definitely no new DCIH anywhere. Just lots of pegwarming figures. A while back, Walmarts here clearanced out all DCIH for $2 a piece. My local discount store, Winners, got a whole whack of Doomsday and Omac packs a while back. Still see some Doomsday stuff kicking around here and there. Winners isn't first run retail like TRU or Walmart, so best I can figure, these six packs bypassed regular retail and went direct to the clearance places.

As for the line itself, I don't think Mattel has officially killed the line. They just don't have retail backing. If they're gonna get retail backing again for that scale, they're gonna have to come up with something that can compete with MU. However, if retailers won't back it, well, that's about as close to dead as you can get. We'll see what happens with the Green Lantern movie.

Jmacq1 10-04-2010 06:52 AM

Wow. The naive optimism of some toy collectors never ceases to amaze me.

Mattel has said DCIH is dead just about every way they can say it without just flat out saying "DCIH is dead" (which they will never do so that that small sliver of collectors who will "never give up hope" still cling to it). They've just done it in corporatespeak and in the typical Mattel manner of passing the blame to anyone but themselves.

"It's not that we created a sub-par line, it's that the retailers wouldn't buy it!"

I'm sure Mattel still has an interest in marketing 3.75 inch DC figures, but as it stands right now, DCIH has failed and they'll have to try something new either with the branding or the design of the figures.

Seriously. DCIH is about as dead as a toy line gets. If it returns, it will functionally be as a new line altogether (unless they just recycle the old figures and/or the Target scenario suggested above happens, which I kind of doubt). It might share the same name, but it won't be the same line. Hopefully, it'll be a better one.

Oh, and the Deathstroke wave popping up at Wal-Marts wasn't so much a "reorder" as Wal Mart and Target finally hitting that portion of their backstock after clearing out the Alexander Luthors that were clogging their pegs prior to that. Those figures were probably ordered 6 months or more before they hit shelves. Not some "refresh for the holiday season."

Autobot_Goldbug 10-04-2010 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jmacq1 (Post 73449)
Oh, and the Deathstroke wave popping up at Wal-Marts wasn't so much a "reorder" as Wal Mart and Target finally hitting that portion of their backstock after clearing out the Alexander Luthors that were clogging their pegs prior to that. Those figures were probably ordered 6 months or more before they hit shelves. Not some "refresh for the holiday season."

That doesn't explain why they are popping up at Meijer. They don't keep stuff in their warehouses that long. I doubt Walmart would either.
That's why places like Big Lots & TJX(TJMaxx, Marshalls, AJ Wright, Winners) & Tuesday Mornings have figures. Doomsday & OMAC packs were WALMART exclusives. If they were going to keep something in their warehouses for 6 months then it would be their own exclusives.
Kmart had the new ones first. Target has had them months before Walmart.
So I would assume these stores are re-ordering for Xmas. It probably doesn't make much of a difference in resurrecting the line. I'm just saying they are ordering them.

trebleshot 10-05-2010 06:05 AM

We could speculate infinitely about this, but the fact remains: until Mattel explicitly announces the cancellation of the line, it's still viable. And no, just because the same 4 or 5 figures have hung on the pegs at your local WM for weeks on end does not mean that the line as a whole is dead.

There may not be any new product coming out for a while, but Mattel has also said they're looking at next year for that.

Plus, the new GL line may rekindle retailer or collector interest in DCIH. And if the GL line is successful, Mattel can use the funds to further R&D on DCIH. Just look what Hasbro has been able to do since TF07.

Jmacq1 10-05-2010 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by trebleshot (Post 73652)
We could speculate infinitely about this, but the fact remains: until Mattel explicitly announces the cancellation of the line, it's still viable. And no, just because the same 4 or 5 figures have hung on the pegs at your local WM for weeks on end does not mean that the line as a whole is dead.

There may not be any new product coming out for a while, but Mattel has also said they're looking at next year for that.

Plus, the new GL line may rekindle retailer or collector interest in DCIH. And if the GL line is successful, Mattel can use the funds to further R&D on DCIH. Just look what Hasbro has been able to do since TF07.

I hate to be the bearer of basic facts, but "not saying it's cancelled" and "being viable" are not remotely the same thing. When there is no retail outlet for a product, it is not viable. How can a line be "viable" when no one is able to buy new product, and in fact it's not even being manufactured?

jimster2010 10-05-2010 08:14 AM

I think the best case scenario we can all hope for is that Mattel treats this line like the JLU and hopefully offers new figures online at mattycollector.com and as a store exclusive if there is a retailer interested in doing that. The line sold well in my area and there were quite a few figures I was interested in buying but could never find at a local retailer.

firmpulse 10-05-2010 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jmacq1 (Post 73665)
I hate to be the bearer of basic facts, but "not saying it's cancelled" and "being viable" are not remotely the same thing. When there is no retail outlet for a product, it is not viable. How can a line be "viable" when no one is able to buy new product, and in fact it's not even being manufactured?

viable simply means it's capable of working successfully. and treb is right. until mattel makes an announcement that it's OFFICIALLY canceled it is technically still viable.

maybe mattel has taken a manufacturing hiatus to completely retool the articulation and make them closer to 1/18th scale.

they could relaunch as "the new and improved super infinite crazy cool heroes". as it is the line sucks so they need to do something different.

irondestro1975 10-05-2010 09:02 AM

they should make DCUC into the DCIH...if theres a way to shrink the molds or make the Four Horsemen create new smaller versions with articulation it would be nice

pud333 10-05-2010 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irondestro1975 (Post 73680)
they should make DCUC into the DCIH...if theres a way to shrink the molds or make the Four Horsemen create new smaller versions with articulation it would be nice

I think Mattel has said they have no intention of doing this. But they definitely need to get better sculpts for the line. If the GL line next year ends up being a simple rehash of DCIH, it's gonna fail also.

trebleshot 10-05-2010 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jmacq1 (Post 73665)
I hate to be the bearer of basic facts, but "not saying it's cancelled" and "being viable" are not remotely the same thing. When there is no retail outlet for a product, it is not viable. How can a line be "viable" when no one is able to buy new product, and in fact it's not even being manufactured?

Of course they aren't the same thing. Where did I say that? The viability of a product refers to its potential success. If Mattel cancels the line, then they don't consider it viable anymore (nor would anyone else as long as Mattel retains the license). As long as they haven't canceled it, DCIH still has potential.

DCIH could still be a huge success, but it definitely needs some reworking to get it to that next level. Even Mattel has acknowledged this by attempting to introduce more articulation for the molds. Unfortunately, it's still not enough, when compared to MU.

But I firmly believe that a 1/18th-scale DC line is a great idea and that it could be successful - maybe even surpassing MU in some respects. A successful implementation to me would be, in the simplest of terms, to take MU and use DC characters instead of Marvel.

Am I being overly optimistic? Possibly. But Mattel hasn't given up on the idea yet, and we shouldn't either.

Quote:

Originally Posted by firmpulse (Post 73670)
maybe mattel has taken a manufacturing hiatus to completely retool the articulation and make them closer to 1/18th scale.

they could relaunch as "the new and improved super infinite crazy cool heroes". as it is the line sucks so they need to do something different.

At this point, I think that is probably Mattel's best option. Hopefully, they have been able to at least break even with the amount of product they've already brought to retail. If so, it wouldn't be too hard to consider funneling more money into expanding the R&D on the GL line to include other characters beyond Hal and the Corps.

I see it working kind of like the way IM2 complements and enhances MU, but in reverse. Then just continue the new DCIH as a bridge to the next DC movie line.

But a name change might be a good idea too. I just can't think of anything that they aren't already using which would also have the same kind of impact like Infinite Heroes.

firmpulse 10-06-2010 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by trebleshot (Post 73741)
I just can't think of anything that they aren't already using which would also have the same kind of impact like Infinite Heroes.

call it "dc universe unlimited" and be done with it :)

pud333 10-06-2010 10:24 AM

If Mattel tries the 3.75" line again, they should give it a completely new name. Like, "DC Universe (we-promise-this-won't-suck-like-DCIH-and-swear-never-to-release-any-more-multipacks-with-only-one-new-figure-ever-again) Super Heroes." I'm not holding my breath though.

trebleshot 10-06-2010 11:34 AM

^ But how are they going to get all that to fit on the card and still have room for character art? ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by firmpulse (Post 73817)
call it "dc universe unlimited" and be done with it :)

Works for me. :D

Crazy Jetty 10-06-2010 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trebleshot (Post 73741)
Of course they aren't the same thing. Where did I say that? The viability of a product refers to its potential success. If Mattel cancels the line, then they don't consider it viable anymore (nor would anyone else as long as Mattel retains the license). As long as they haven't canceled it, DCIH still has potential.

DCIH could still be a huge success, but it definitely needs some reworking to get it to that next level. Even Mattel has acknowledged this by attempting to introduce more articulation for the molds. Unfortunately, it's still not enough, when compared to MU.

But I firmly believe that a 1/18th-scale DC line is a great idea and that it could be successful - maybe even surpassing MU in some respects. A successful implementation to me would be, in the simplest of terms, to take MU and use DC characters instead of Marvel.

Am I being overly optimistic? Possibly. But Mattel hasn't given up on the idea yet, and we shouldn't either.



At this point, I think that is probably Mattel's best option. Hopefully, they have been able to at least break even with the amount of product they've already brought to retail. If so, it wouldn't be too hard to consider funneling more money into expanding the R&D on the GL line to include other characters beyond Hal and the Corps.

I see it working kind of like the way IM2 complements and enhances MU, but in reverse. Then just continue the new DCIH as a bridge to the next DC movie line.

But a name change might be a good idea too. I just can't think of anything that they aren't already using which would also have the same kind of impact like Infinite Heroes.

What would help is better designed articulation. I actually prefer the older sculpts with basic articulation to the new ones which feel so fragile, horribly designed to make it where the arms can't even rest at their sides, and break if you touch them (I never have toys break on me. Even the most delicate ones. Yet my Major Force snapped in two after five seconds).
(But likewise, I haven't been terribly impressed with the quality of the MU, based on the three that I have)
Maybe not in sculpt and articulation they don't, but they definately need to take a few cues from MU. For a single carded figure, with DCIH you got a smaller toy, with no accessories for a bit more, than you'd pay for the average MU. Which is tripley frustraiting, given than almost all DCIH were repaints of one another. A new head, and maybe a little added on detailing, while there are more unique sculpts in MU.

Green Lantern would be a great way to experament with accessories, vehicles and such. And it would be nice to see them try something completely new with sculpt and articulation. Why just copy MU, when they could try to figure out how to surpass it?
They've made DCUC an unimaginable success where Toybiz and Hasbro have been failing with Marvel Legends for years. There's no reason (Outside of retailer idiocy, and crappy POS systems that do their ordering) that they can't make a successful 3 3/4s line.

Autobot_Goldbug 10-30-2010 10:19 PM

Well someone has reported finding gold Captain Atom at their Walmart over on the rebelscum forums.
So not done yet apparently.

Falconhood 12-12-2010 05:16 PM

i will not miss it. I was disappointed when i opened the Super 3-pack and my Superman super snapped off his leg trying to escape the plastic holder.

Tarquinius 12-12-2010 06:25 PM

I'm confused...whats going on with this line?


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