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bmorr 04-01-2012 07:21 AM

AvX Discussion and Speculation
 
Ok guys, since this event is going to transverse over a large chunk of titles in Marvel until the fall, it definitly deserves its own thread. So, discuss whatevers going on with the event and any rumors/speculation you want.

Heres the titles involved so far:

Prologue
Marvel Point One (one-shot)
Avengers: X-Sanction #1-4
Avengers vs. X-Men #0

Core miniseries

Avengers vs. X-Men #1-12

Tie-ins
AVX: VS #1-6
Avengers #25-30
Uncanny X-Men #11-
New Avengers #24-
Wolverine and the X-Men #9-
Secret Avengers #26-
X-Men: Legacy #266-
Avengers Academy #29-


full reading order:

Prologue
(Optional) Avengers: The Children's Crusade #1-9
00 Marvel Point One #1
01 Avengers: X-Sanction #1
02 Avengers: X-Sanction #2
03 Avengers: X-Sanction #3
04 Avengers: X-Sanction #4
05 Avengers #24.1
06 Uncanny X-Men #10
07 Avengers Vs. X-Men #0

Act I Scene I
08 Wolverine and the X-Men #9
09 Avengers Vs. X-Men #1
(Digital Exclusive) Avengers Vs. X-Men: Infinite #1
10 New Avengers #24
11 Avengers #25
12 Avengers Vs. X-Men #2
13 AvX: Versus #1
14 Uncanny X-Men #11

Interlude I
15 Secret Avengers #26
16 Secret Avengers #27
17 Secret Avengers #28

Act I Scene II
18 Avengers Vs. X-Men #3
19 Avengers Academy #29
20 Avengers Academy #30
21 Avengers Academy #31
22 Wolverine and the X-Men #10
23 X-Men Legacy #266
24 X-Men Legacy #267

Interlude II
25 Avengers #26
26 Avengers #27

Act I Scene III
27 Avengers Vs. X-Men #4
28 Uncanny X-Men #12
29 Wolverine and the X-Men #11
30 AvX: Versus #2
31 Avengers Vs. X-Men #5
32 Uncanny X-Men #13
33 AvX: Versus #3


Interlude III
34 New Avengers #25
35 New Avengers #26
36 Uncanny X-Men #14

Act II Scene I
37 Avengers Vs. X-Men #6
(Digital Exclusive) Avengers Vs.X-Men: Infinite #6
38 X-Men Legacy #268
39 Avengers Academy #32
40 Avengers Academy #33

Interlude IV
41 Uncanny X-Men #15
42 Uncanny X-Men #16
43 Uncanny X-Men #17
44 Avengers #28

Act II Scene II
45 Avengers #29
46 Avengers Vs. X-Men #7
47 Wolverine and The X-Men #12
48 Wolverine and The X-Men #13
49 AvX: Versus #4
50 New Avengers #28
51 New Avengers #29
52 Avengers Vs. X-Men #8
53 New Avengers #27
54 X-Men Legacy #269
55 X-Men Legacy #270
56 Wolverine and The X-Men #14
57 Avengers Vs. X-Men #9

Act III Scene I
58 Avengers Vs. X-Men #10
(Digital Exclusive) Avengers Vs. X-Men: Infinite #10


Release Schedule

8/29/12
AvX: Vs. #5
Wolverine and The X-Men #15

9/5/12
Wolverine and The X-Men #16

9/12/12
Avengers Vs. X-Men #11
New Avengers #30
Uncanny X-Men #18

9/19/12
Avengers #30
Wolverine and The X-Men #17

9/26/12
Avengers Vs. X-Men #12
AvX: Vs. #6
Uncanny X-Men #19

usagent27 04-01-2012 07:57 AM

thanks for the list! just read Avengers vs X-men 0 and now have to track down Avengers X-Sanction

Greenskar 04-01-2012 09:00 AM

AvX #0 was surprisingly good! It didn't really set up the war between the two teams but did have some great moments between Wanda and Vision and showed what a badass hope can be with and without powers.

Haters gonna hate even if this event turns out to be good or mildly entertaining mostly because these two teams have gone at it before with the X-men losing just about every time.

The difference is that the X-men have never been as stacked as they currently are or as dangerous since they are on the brink of extinction and are willing to go the distance to survive as a race. All in all I'm really looking forward to the fun match ups. Marvel is really making this one fan friendly with the AvX VS 1-6.

Plus...with a free digital copy with each print as well as the new infinite comic featuring Nova with AvX #1 I don't see a reason I wouldn't be collecting this series.

Kaewin 04-01-2012 05:21 PM

And once again some kind of crossover has to ruin the chance for any serious writing. Going to get the Avengers and New Avengers book and possibly the core but nothing extra.

bmorr 04-01-2012 05:30 PM

haha serious writing in comics lol. But seriously im glad they leave books like FF alone and be awesome every issue. And frankly im not even sure if events like these make that much more money for marvel than lengths of time without them. But I read monthly all those titles but the xmen stuff. Ive never bought an xmen related comic.....but ive been reading Avengers books since like 2004. Im waiting for the day Jonathan Hickman writes an xmen comic.

Kaewin 04-02-2012 08:31 PM

I got number 0 today and I tell you there was a part in there that choked me up. When Vision met Wanda, and that is all I am saying.

FrankCastle 04-04-2012 01:06 PM

Have #0 and #1 just got purchased today. Great reads so far. Love the last scene with Cap and Cyclops. Won't go into detail for spoilers sake

shortysben 04-04-2012 02:18 PM

yeah, read avengers 24.1 (i usually dont read many comics, but I have been picking more up)...

Then I read avx #1...pretty solid start, not to spoil but things look like they are ready to boil!

Greenskar 04-04-2012 02:26 PM

For those of you who purchased #1 and haven't yet redeemed your digital copy....go do that shit now.

You get the first issue if infinite comics: Featuring Nova for free at the end of AvX #1 digital and it was pretty damn cool!

While story wise it didn't offer much in the grand scheme of things, it was a very inspiring peek at what the potential for telling stories digitally holds. This is NOT a motion comic. It feels like a comic, you control the tempo of when you want to progress the story, it's just a really good looking unique "Supplement" to a decent first issue of this event.

Check it out for yourselves and let me know what you think. You paid 3.99 you might as well get your money's worth by checking out the extras.

Optimus Vader 04-11-2012 09:49 AM

I bought #0 and #1, but haven't read 0 yet (I read #1 last night). Reading one comic book makes me realize I have no idea what is going on. So Magneto defers to Cyclops now? I know the X-Men is a team, but I never thought Mags would really follow anyone. Although, based on everything Scott said and did in #1, he almost seems like the new Magneto.

LXL_Guy 04-11-2012 10:07 AM

Am I the only one that finds it funny that the first issues story is callaborated by 5 guys?

Either way I'm only in it to see what happens to Hope. This is the first 616 Marvel story I've picked up in years.

Optimus Vader 04-11-2012 10:10 AM

Did anyone download that AR app? I'm not sure if AvX is the first they're using that, but I thought it was kinda... neat. I wouldn't pay for that, but some of the scenes were cool (the cover).

xhavoc86 04-11-2012 10:50 AM

SO much hyprocrisy going on with Avengers side...so Phoenix force is a threat...but Scarlet Witch can get away with nearly destroying an entire species? cause that's ok lol

Exodus 04-11-2012 12:21 PM

Cool will get it soon.

Snowflakian 04-11-2012 03:02 PM

Completely leftfield, but I'm starting to think they might kill cyclops off in this event. Make him a martyr for his cause which becomes the new basis for an all new brotherhood.

Other than that, so far this event isn't doing anything for me as it feels like Cyclops started this "war" out of pure arrogance and refusal to try and talk it out with striking Cap first. Oh, and I love how scott went off on Cap with that entire "Where were you" bit... Though cap should have answered him. "I was anti-registration, and then I got shot and was dead for most of that!" >.>

I'd also find it rather funny though if neither wanda nor hope get the phoenix powers, and it ends up going to the now cured cable, nate grey, or Luke Cage's baby. It just seems more open for interesting stories if someone other than hope gets it, since it's already been shown she can channel or mimic the power just by it being near to earth.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenskar (Post 268149)
For those of you who purchased #1 and haven't yet redeemed your digital copy....go do that shit now.

You get the first issue if infinite comics: Featuring Nova for free at the end of AvX #1 digital and it was pretty damn cool!

While story wise it didn't offer much in the grand scheme of things, it was a very inspiring peek at what the potential for telling stories digitally holds. This is NOT a motion comic. It feels like a comic, you control the tempo of when you want to progress the story, it's just a really good looking unique "Supplement" to a decent first issue of this event.

Check it out for yourselves and let me know what you think. You paid 3.99 you might as well get your money's worth by checking out the extras.

New Nova has to be from St Louis. xD

bmorr 04-11-2012 03:22 PM

I was talking with the owner at my LCS and I made a quip about how Hope could be yet another creation of the Scarlet Witch. Only we both looked at each other and sighed, realizing this could probably be possible. Also, it hasn't even been resolved if Hawkeye is also Wandas creation after he "died" during Disassembled.

Greenskar 04-11-2012 03:27 PM

I hate this stupid rule that only telepaths get the Phoenix Force. Let Danny Rand be the new host since the mystical city of Kun Lun now apparently has ties to the Phoenix in an upcoming issue of New Avengers.

I'm still more interested to find out who Wolverine will ultimately side with in the end...or if he's gonna be to this event what Spidey was in Civil War; Start off on one side and end up on the other.

KingLouie731 04-11-2012 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LXL_Guy (Post 271227)
Am I the only one that finds it funny that the first issues story is callaborated by 5 guys?

Either way I'm only in it to see what happens to Hope. This is the first 616 Marvel story I've picked up in years.

Hopefully that is for continuity sake and not because they write slow ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmorr (Post 271377)
I was talking with the owner at my LCS and I made a quip about how Hope could be yet another creation of the Scarlet Witch. Only we both looked at each other and sighed, realizing this could probably be possible. Also, it hasn't even been resolved if Hawkeye is also Wandas creation after he "died" during Disassembled.

Thanks for ruining the story for me sheesh :)

bmorr 04-11-2012 04:44 PM

haha which one?

Exodus 04-13-2012 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmorr (Post 271377)
I was talking with the owner at my LCS and I made a quip about how Hope could be yet another creation of the Scarlet Witch. Only we both looked at each other and sighed, realizing this could probably be possible. Also, it hasn't even been resolved if Hawkeye is also Wandas creation after he "died" during Disassembled.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingLouie731 (Post 271401)
Thanks for ruining the story for me sheesh :)

Nah I doubt it. I hope they tie in Rachel Grey Summers in though, I like seeing the Summers family line in the books, especially now that they brought back Havok as well.

bmorr 04-13-2012 01:07 PM

in new avengers #24, its simply a prologue to the battle at Utopia from the avengers perspective. We dont even get wolvies persepctive on all this. But we do learn that Storm leaves to presumably join with the xmen.

KingLouie731 04-13-2012 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmorr (Post 271415)
haha which one?

I was just joking

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exodus (Post 272287)
Nah I doubt it. I hope they tie in Rachel Grey Summers in though, I like seeing the Summers family line in the books, especially now that they brought back Havok as well.

Again just kidding, because a lot of the storytelling these days can be kinda slack and so we as fans for any length of time are hard to please/keep in the dark as far as events go

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmorr (Post 272295)
in new avengers #24, its simply a prologue to the battle at Utopia from the avengers perspective. We dont even get wolvies persepctive on all this. But we do learn that Storm leaves to presumably join with the xmen.

That will cause some marital problems between her and BP

bmorr 04-13-2012 01:33 PM

same with Luke Cage. But thats every damn issue. I dont care! And since when did balck panther join the team? Didnt he refuse a while back?

KingLouie731 04-13-2012 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmorr (Post 272307)
same with Luke Cage. But thats every damn issue. I dont care! And since when did balck panther join the team? Didnt he refuse a while back?

don't think he is currently on the team but he has been an on again off again avenger from way back so I was being funny except no one was laughing and yeah as far as the story goes from what I've read Luke will be in the dog house for a while

bmorr 04-13-2012 02:00 PM

its kinda sad that cage is the only member of all the current avengers with a semblance of a stable relationship/marriage. but that is whole different discussion away from Avx. But i really just wanna talk about comics on here lol.


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