Star Trek 2
 

As ST2 is currently in production, what are some of things you would like to see in this? Even though it's not confirmed, actor Benedict Cumberbatch is rumored to be playing the villain. I'm very curious to see who exactly his character is. It has been rumored to be a Klingon, or even Khan. Either way I think this is going to be a great sequel.

I'd like an apology for the first movie.

I'm sorry the first movie was too awesome for you.

I'd like to see more starships. The gorn would be flippin' fantastic with an update/redesign.
I think it's fan wishful thinking that starts the rumors for Khan. As for Klingons, I get tired of them. They played such a big part in the TOS era movies that this set can go as long as they want without them being a major part.

I have not till now heard of anoyne disliking the first movie? What did you not like about it? Just curious.
I think they'll go in a new direction. Whats the point of screaming its a new continuity to go down the same path they've been down?
...And time travel.

I went into the film with very low expectations and liked it a lot. Plus, Simon Pegg is in it.

Id like to see them fight something other than another ship. Like get into the crazy stuff from the original show. but dont get too overboard like star trek 5. that movie sucked.

If by "awesome" you mean "plot holes you could fly a starship through and Lensflares in every scene", then I suppose it truly was.
And of course, their engineering set was a brewery. Really. Obviously.

Fucking horrible- and I'm te biggest damn Trek fan- but just as a movie, it's terrible in every cinematic way.

Well, I gotta give it up for the actors- they did a good damn job with what they had.

LOL. You always know what to say.

Anyways.


I loved the movie, a lot. My girlfriend is not into Star Trek at all and I dragged her to it. Now she really likes my nickname Tiberius XD.


Fun Fact: William Shatner and I share the same birthday =3.

You do realize once you toss in Black Holes and time travel, anything goes, right? Fucking brilliant on their part. Lets the writers get away with a lot more.

No, I mean plot holes like

-Why would the Romulan EMPIRE fall apart with the loss of their home system? why not just evacuate one of their other worlds in their EMPIRE of populated planets? JJ said he had not seen much TNG- and it shows.
-Why did the villian (forget his name) wait twenty one years (while Kirk grew up) to attack?
-How can Spock see Vulcan blow up from an ice planet not in Vulcan's solar system?
-Why is the villian's MINING SHIP armed with super-torpedos and inpenetrable shields?
-Why did the villian not just give his ship to the Romulans of the TOS era? They could easily have invaded the Federation with that!

Plus the plot is spoonfed- kirk just happens to land on the planet where Spock was stranded and he just happens to be a quick run from the cave Spock was in and they just happen to run into Scotty...it's the fucking Wizard of Oz.

And of course, Kirk goes from a cadet to Captain in one step?!?! That's like taking someone from boot camp and making them a general- not only is it assinine, but the thousands of career officers that earned their rank would dispise him.

Well, they didn't really say that the romulan empire fell apart. They just said that Romulus was destroyed. Nero's quest here is extremely personal, with his wife and family killed in the process. His whole world ended, but I don't recall them saying that the entire romulan empire was over and done. They didn't really have the time to do such. I think you're adding your own assumptions.

Because he was waiting for Spock Prime to arrive in this new universe. He wanted Spock to watch everything Spock loved destroyed, as he blaimed Romulus' destruction on Spock's failier.
Also, he was in klingon prison for a huge chunk of that time. This is mentioned in the film (His escape is what Uhura overheard and became a big part of the plot that Kirk pieced together, realizing this is the same thing that killed his father, and the Kelvin).
Parts of this were even filmed and cut out of the final movie. They're in the deleted scenes of the DVD.

I admit I assumed it was in Vulcan's system, possibly Vulcan's moon. Which I admit this whole part is one of the film's many oddities.

This is not even remotely a plothole. It's well established that ships are much more powerful in the 24th century than they are in the 22nd century. Romulan shields and weapons gave even the Enterprise-D a hard time, and she's a much more powerful ship than her namesake. Post TNG era ships are faster, stronger, and much more powerful than TOS era ships, even these new redesigns. Civilian ships would be no exceptions.
And in a hostile universe (The romulans are paranoid, and think everyone's out to get them), even civilian ships are often armed to defend. Nero's ship dominated everything in Kirk's era, but we never saw it fight Picard's ship. The D or E may have made mencemeat of it. Doesn't mean the original could.
And even if so, Nero's ship probably operated on the Klingon boarder, and was ment to defend itself against klingon warships. Which means it would have particularly strong shields and weapons.

As far as Nero is concerned, it has nothing to do with the TOS Romulans. His whole deal was personal. The added bonus was the TOS Romulan empire would benefit when he was done. He also used that to justify his screwing around with time. But the reality is he really wanted to make Spock pay for him losing his pregnant wife, and homeworld.

The rest I overall agree with, I just don't see them as dealbreakers. The cadet to captain thing is not accurate, but this is an origin movie with only a limited amount ot time to get all the key players in place. So I give them a break on that.

Besides... this movie made me actually *like* the character of Kirk. That goes a long way.

Go check out How it should have ended or search for it on you tube. They point out Nero is upset because the spock ship was late and his wife died.
Great so he ends up 80 years back in time, before the star goes nova in possesion of the one ship that can prevent it from happening and save billions including his wife. ...nah. she was a drag anyways.

Great read!

While you make good plot points, there's still the tired ass Trek formula of "insane villian with superweapon is coming to destroy TEH EARTHZ!!!

And no, there's no goddamn reason a mining ship has an arsenal- he says he was not a soldier. And why would a spaceship be poorly lit with a bunch of chains and dangeroud pitfalls with no railings? Oh, because it was filmed at a foundry, that's why.

The klingon prisoner stuff is also lame- he was what? captured by KLingons and inprisoned, they took his ship (somehow, since it destroys their whole fleet later in the movie) and he somhow escapes and takes back his ship and...
Shit, did we miss a movie or two here? They actually made an entire comic miniseries to explain all the shit that the movie skips over! Yes, really!
Why did Nero want to destroy Earth again?


Possily the movie's biggest crime is not doing more with Eric Bana- and the constant lensflares in every damn scene.

As a tech and science person, the movie is one of the worst Hollywood departures from sanity in recent times- yes, I know it's Trek, but part of Trek's appeal was always the semi-plausibility of the technology. Romulus getting destroyed was itself idiotic- if they knew the star could go nova for months, they had no one to blame but themselves for not evacuating- that's like saying if the victims of the Japan tsunami knew for months they'd get wiped out, instead of leaving, they hoped the UN would buil a breakwater for them.

Also, there are thousands of massive Romulan ships which each can carry upwards of ten thousand people in an emergency (as the Galaxy class can) and each can beam hundreds on board per minute (assuming they have Federation-level tech, which they clearly did) and each can easily move faster than light so...
Where were they? It's several minutes distance from a star to a planet in the "life zone"- and that's assuming the shockwabe was moving at the speed of light (unlikely).

More than enough time for some sort of evacuation there.
Hell, we saw the Enterprise outpace a nova shockwave in Generations at warp one, so it's hardly a new idea to Trek.

And there's more! The Enterprise is now far larger than the Galaxy class!
I shit you not, that's official- even the ship Kirk's dad srved on is bigger- because JJ wanted his stuff to be bigger, so he super-sized Gabriel Koerner's design (although the bridge is still for a 300 meter long ship somefuckinghow) and decided to super-size the nacelles into those awful blimps...and just for shits, make them sky blue.

So right away, the premise that Spock or Nero changed the timeline is shit- so many difference already existed prior to the encounter with Nero's giant squid.

If the premise was "A trek movie for people that dont already like Trek", then it worked great, but man, it's no closer to Trek than X-Men 3 was to the comics.

The only thing I have to dispute with what you said, is I do indeed believe that a romulan mining ship would be armed. And again, defensive and offensive weapons are a lot stronger in TNG and beyond, and even what is considered to be a minimally armed ship there could indeed lay waist to a fleet of ships, in the TOS era. So it's really all relative once you put perspective.

I also never disagreed that the science isn't wonky. "Red Matter" drives me insane, and the fact that a TOS era Enterprise (Even redesigned) could make it to Vulcan in a few hours.
It's just of that list of plotholes you cite, most of don't actually exist, if not explained in the movie.

I'm sorry you hate the movie. But I've been a trekkie all my life. I've been to tons of conventions, grew up on TNG, worked two movie premiers in full borg costume, was in more parades than I can remember (in full borg costume), been in two Trek clubs, met several of the actors, and even had dinner with William Shatner.
On top of that, I've also dedicated my life to studying science (Astrophysics, astronomy, and paleontology).
And I happen to think this is the best, and funnest trek movie since IV. And every trek fan I know personally has at least enjoyed it, if not loved it.
I would kill to see it rolled off into it's own series, although they want it for movie franchise.
Either way, it's a hell of a lot better than the shit Brennon Bragga can cough up. And I couldn't be happier that the franchise has been taken away from Rick Burman, who's run it into the ground.

I've always been a Star Trek fan. And Star Trek has always been silly as hell. The only thing different about the new movie is that it appealed to a much broader audience, which is a good thing for everybody. Any Trek movie that my wife and I can actually enjoy together is alright by me.

I thought klingons didn't take prisoners

Kirk getting sent to a Klingon Prison is a huge plot point for Star trek VI. :p